I'll consider that 'point taken' and agree to agree with the legal edge-case represented by LL, though I would point out that such whholesale exporting of content is already well underway.<div><br></div><div>Thanks for taking the time to consider my views ;)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>James</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Melanie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melanie@t-data.com">melanie@t-data.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<br>
<br>
unfortunately, I believe the potential for abuse outstrips the<br>
usefulness here.<br>
<br>
The issue is not necessarily with individual creators, who would<br>
maybe be happy with proper attribution, but rather with Linden Labs.<br>
I believe they would take an interest if wholesale copying of<br>
content from the maingrid were to occur as something OpenSim, by<br>
software design, officially sanctions.<br>
<br>
There is a difference between "not possible", "possible but<br>
unsupported" and "fully supported in core". The latter needs to be<br>
avoided for reasons of liability.<br>
<br>
A Forge module comes to mind here.<br>
<br>
And, BTW, website profiles in SL can be disabled by the user, and<br>
many have done so. You can easily see this from the "Staff boards"<br>
in SL, which work by grabbing web profiles, as well as the user<br>
profile projector.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
Melanie<br>
<br>
<br>
James Stallings II wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> Perhaps So Mel, But........Where is the similar licensing or release from<br>
> obligation under license for the OS grid content?<br>
><br>
> It seems to me there's a double standard in the offing here, whereby content<br>
> from the Linden Grid is hands-off for legal reasons, but not so much as a<br>
> tip of the hat in that direction when it comes to content from an OS grid.<br>
><br>
> In every case I am aware of (a certain steamboat comes to mind), the<br>
> complaint from the content creator has not been that the content has been<br>
> relocated, but that their credit for it's creation has been 'removed' (we<br>
> know that it wasn't removed, just lost due to a lack of reference to the<br>
> creator from the originating grid).<br>
><br>
> Now I'm not saying it will always be the case that the creator will be<br>
> comfortable with the content leaving the Linden Grid, but that seems to be<br>
> the predominant case.<br>
><br>
> It would seem to me that a robust solution to this issue would at least<br>
> attempt to address content imported from the Linden Grid, as there will very<br>
> likely be scenarios in the not-too-distant future in which the creator<br>
> allows content to be imported from the Linden Grid, and it would seem to me<br>
> that preservation of the creators identity across grids would go a long way<br>
> towards easing many of these 'theft of content' concerns on the part of<br>
> content creators.<br>
><br>
> Just my 0.02$L<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> James/Hiro/daTwitch<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Diva Canto <<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com">diva@metaverseink.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> The origin of this thread was OARs and IARs (for content porting between<br>
>> OpenSims), and foreign users (for the HG). I don't think there was ever any<br>
>> intention of grabbing profiles from Second Life, although, as far as I know,<br>
>> those profiles are available on the web so it would be technically feasible<br>
>> to do it, but it would probably have to be special-cased.<br>
>><br>
>> James Stallings II wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> There are some strong ideas here for the future, but I think that the<br>
>> original problem has been lost in the mix (or perhaps I missed something in<br>
>> the thread, not entirely out of the question ;)<br>
>> Unless I am mistaken, the real problem is older content imported from SL<br>
>> - how to preserve the creator ID of such content?<br>
>><br>
>> The scenario, I am sure, is not unfamiliar:<br>
>><br>
>> OS user purchases full rights content on the Linden Grid; OS user,<br>
>> through hook or crook, imports said content, because he has no intention of<br>
>> ever using it on the Linden Grid; creator of said content discovers that the<br>
>> content has been relocated and cries foul because his/her creator<br>
>> identification has been 'removed'.<br>
>><br>
>> While the foregoing discussions itt address the potentiality of this<br>
>> scenario as it would occur when the content originates on an OS grid, what<br>
>> do we do about preservation of the ID of the creator of content from that<br>
>> distant but arguably compatible foreign grid we all know and love so well?<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>> James/Hiro/daTwitch<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Sean Dague <<a href="mailto:sdague@gmail.com">sdague@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Melanie wrote:<br>
>>> > I am absolutely sure that I would not went HG to ever, EVER, insert<br>
>>> > user records or profile records into my database. I strongly favor<br>
>>> > the "URL" approach, which is neutral as far as my database goes.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ok, so then hash those urls for UUIDs to present to the viewer? We<br>
>>> still need a UUID in the object definitions for the viewer so that<br>
>>> people can see the creator.<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Sean<br>
>>><br>
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