[Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

Mon Mar 30 14:33:13 UTC 2009

"The latter needs to be avoided for reasons of liability."
actually, ..   no.   That isn't entirely true.

That statement should be rephrased, "The latter needs to be avoided
for reasons of public relations.".   Our license protects us from what
individuals do with the software..   however, we are not another
'copybot' and we don't want to appear as one by providing the
capability, out of the box to make a duplicate of content somewhere.
 Therefore, we don't provide that capability.

Sincerely

Teravus

On 3/30/09, James Stallings II <james.stallings at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll consider that 'point taken' and agree to agree with the legal edge-case
> represented by LL, though I would point out that such whholesale exporting
> of content is already well underway.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to consider my views ;)
>
> Cheers
> James
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > unfortunately, I believe the potential for abuse outstrips the
> > usefulness here.
> >
> > The issue is not necessarily with individual creators, who would
> > maybe be happy with proper attribution, but rather with Linden Labs.
> > I believe they would take an interest if wholesale copying of
> > content from the maingrid were to occur as something OpenSim, by
> > software design, officially sanctions.
> >
> > There is a difference between "not possible", "possible but
> > unsupported" and "fully supported in core". The latter needs to be
> > avoided for reasons of liability.
> >
> > A Forge module comes to mind here.
> >
> > And, BTW, website profiles in SL can be disabled by the user, and
> > many have done so. You can easily see this from the "Staff boards"
> > in SL, which work by grabbing web profiles, as well as the user
> > profile projector.
> >
> >
> > Melanie
> >
> >
> > James Stallings II wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Perhaps So Mel, But........Where is the similar licensing or release
> from
> > > obligation under license for the OS grid content?
> > >
> > > It seems to me there's a double standard in the offing here, whereby
> content
> > > from the Linden Grid is hands-off for legal reasons, but not so much as
> a
> > > tip of the hat in that direction when it comes to content from an OS
> grid.
> > >
> > > In every case I am aware of (a certain steamboat comes to mind), the
> > > complaint from the content creator has not been that the content has
> been
> > > relocated, but that their credit for it's creation has been 'removed'
> (we
> > > know that it wasn't removed, just lost due to a lack of reference to the
> > > creator from the originating grid).
> > >
> > > Now I'm not saying it will always be the case that the creator will be
> > > comfortable with the content leaving the Linden Grid, but that seems to
> be
> > > the predominant case.
> > >
> > > It would seem to me that a robust solution to this issue would at least
> > > attempt to address content imported from the Linden Grid, as there will
> very
> > > likely be scenarios in the not-too-distant future in which the creator
> > > allows content to be imported from the Linden Grid, and it would seem to
> me
> > > that preservation of the creators identity across grids would go a long
> way
> > > towards easing many of these 'theft of content' concerns on the part of
> > > content creators.
> > >
> > > Just my 0.02$L
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > James/Hiro/daTwitch
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Diva Canto <diva at metaverseink.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>  The origin of this thread was OARs and IARs (for content porting
> between
> > >> OpenSims), and foreign users (for the HG). I don't think there was ever
> any
> > >> intention of grabbing profiles from Second Life, although, as far as I
> know,
> > >> those profiles are available on the web so it would be technically
> feasible
> > >> to do it, but it would probably have to be special-cased.
> > >>
> > >> James Stallings II wrote:
> > >>
> > >> There are some strong ideas here for the future, but I think that the
> > >> original problem has been lost in the mix (or perhaps I missed
> something in
> > >> the thread, not entirely out of the question ;)
> > >>  Unless I am mistaken, the real problem is older content imported from
> SL
> > >> - how to preserve the creator ID of such content?
> > >>
> > >>  The scenario, I am sure, is not unfamiliar:
> > >>
> > >>  OS user purchases full rights content on the Linden Grid; OS user,
> > >> through hook or crook, imports said content, because he has no
> intention of
> > >> ever using it on the Linden Grid; creator of said content discovers
> that the
> > >> content has been relocated and cries foul because his/her creator
> > >> identification has been 'removed'.
> > >>
> > >>  While the foregoing discussions itt address the potentiality of this
> > >> scenario as it would occur when the content originates on an OS grid,
> what
> > >> do we do about preservation of the ID of the creator of content from
> that
> > >> distant but arguably compatible foreign grid we all know and love so
> well?
> > >>
> > >>  Cheers
> > >> James/Hiro/daTwitch
> > >>
> > >>  On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Sean Dague <sdague at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Melanie wrote:
> > >>> > I am absolutely sure that I would not went HG to ever, EVER, insert
> > >>> > user records or profile records into my database. I strongly favor
> > >>> > the "URL" approach, which is neutral as far as my database goes.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Ok, so then hash those urls for UUIDs to present to the viewer?  We
> > >>> still need a UUID in the object definitions for the viewer so that
> > >>> people can see the creator.
> > >>>
> > >>>        -Sean
> > >>>
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