[Opensim-dev] 27 LSL functions left

Sun Jan 18 01:37:46 UTC 2009

Dear Brianna:

I struggle with these issues all the time and have been for nearly two years now with OpenSim.

One of the things I find that helps is to concentrate on the things that are implemented rather then the features that are not implemented. There are more tests I can imagine that will fail, then there are tests that pass. Mostly based on the fact that OpenSim is only about 60% finished.

Perhaps suggesting to some of your folks that concentrating on keeping continuous scripts testing working features is a better risk/reward ratio then demonstrating all the things that do not work. Also, it helps to have other independent folks test scripts as sometimes we fool ourselves with a configuration issue.

That is one of the reasons why sharing script source with forums, e-mail and IRC has become so powerful for OpenSim. We can all have the same script and if tests can fail that used to work then we have good traction for a Mantis. This gets even better when an independent person can perform the same test and get the same failure on a different sim using a different operating system.

Charles

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From: Brianna <wwwench at gmail.com>
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL functions left

Charles,

No criticism received. What I want to pursue is a 
broader test set. Owen often constructs bizarre looking objects that only 
exist for test. From his kicked ball cross, strange linked swing set to our 
vendor that sells you a blank box. They exist only to test functions. We were 
thrilled to see the WP style teleporter healed (TP's were fixed). We need a 
better answer for content creators that can't understand why last weeks objects 
no longer work.

Bri
(The sailboat is 
not a vehicle)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles Krinke 
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de 
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:25  PM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL  functions left

Dear  Bri:

I was certainly not criticizing you. I was just trying to figure  out how to best move forward. We are all volunteers and the trick is always to  figure out how to leverage all of our efforts to help each other move forward.  One of the ideas I had was to have a set of scripts running on a set of known  regions that folks could go and see were working and obtain the source from a  web site. Another related part of that same idea was to update regions and  have a set of scripts that one can easily check on with a login after region  update.

That is one of the purposes of the fountain, html-on-a-prim and  a couple of the other demonstrations at Wright Plaza.

So, perhaps some  similar idea might help you and your group.

Charles

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 From: Brianna  <wwwench at gmail.com>
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:53:43  PM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev]  27 LSL functions left

As to the SL compatibility, at this point in  development running back to SL to test is a handy tool. That also is a reason  to get flow control statements completed.
Our next meeting we will see what  we can concoct as a suggestion besides whining.
Bri
(The sailboat is not a  vehicle)

-----  Original Message ----- 
From: Charles Krinke 
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de 
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL functions left

Dear Bri:

Can you offer some suggestions as to what you might  propose as we move forward? If I get your drift, you are addressing what  many call "regression", and that is important also. One of the thoughts I  had on that subject was a series of sims with scripts running 24/7  demonstrating the various functions that folks could log in and see they  were working after each update. At least that is what we have been doing on  the plazas for some time. 

Perhaps you have some additional insight  that could let us close the loop?

Charles

p.s. I know a  sailboat is not a vehicle and making sure the force, mass, torque functions  keep working is also important.

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 From: Brianna  <wwwench at gmail.com>
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009  1:00:36 PM
Subject: Re:  [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL functions left

On completed functions, what appears to be constantly ignored are other  area changes or errors that will break what was a working function. This  consumes a great deal of time thinking of new methods for an equivalent and  to me defeats the purpose of a function. The number of functions in that  category is not trivial. A few of us have considered creating a script to  test all as a harbinger.
Bri
(The sailboat is not a  vehicle)
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: J Ross Nicoll 
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de 
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL functions left

Absolutely agreed on the compatibility. There will be implementation  quirks worth matching, but I think in most cases code can be made to work  on both OS and SL easily enough, and will be more reliable for the thought  put into it.

If anyone has BSD licensed (because I'm not getting into reading code  that might cause trouble later) code which uses entirely implemented  functions, but doesn't work in only one of OS/SL, feel free to e-mail it  to me with instructions and I'll fix it, give a good reason why it  can't/shouldn't be fixed, or take that back...

On 17 Jan 2009, at 02:41, Charles Krinke wrote:

The vehicle functions are stubs and could use a  little attention. That is, llSetVehicleType, llSetVehicledoubleParam,  llSetVehicleFloatParam, llSetVehicleVectorParam,  llSetVehicleRotationParam, llSetVehicleFlags &  llRemoveVehicleFlags.

I dont think it is that crucial to have  complete secondlife compatibility at this point. I rather think it is  more important to get enough functionality so that folks can use scripts  at all.

We can have all those wonderful discussions about  compatibility as soon as we have all the functions implemented. And I  expect that discussion and the resulting patches to go on for some  time.

Charles

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 From: "Frisby, Adam" <adam at deepthink.com.au>
To: "opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de"  <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009  6:31:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL  functions left

Big  congratulations to everyone who has contributed, I had no idea it was  this close. Do we have a list of functions which only have a partial  implementation and need more work?

Regards,

Adam

From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Charles  Krinke
Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 4:14  PM
To: opensim-dev
Subject: [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL functions  left

There are 27 LSL functions with no  implementation left, and they are:

llRotTarget,  llRotTargetRemove, llLoopSoundMaster, llLoopSoundSlave,  llPlaySoundSlave, llLookAt, llStopLookAt, llCollisionFilter,  llAttachToAvatar, llDetachFromAvatar, llRotLookAt, llPointAt,  llStopPointAt, llGodLikeRezObject, llPassTouches, llSetDamage,  llTextBox, llPassCollisions, llGetCenterOfMass, llEdgeOfWorld,  llSetSoundQueueing, llTriggerSoundLimited, llGroundRepel,  llRemoteDataSetRegion & llSetInventoryPermMask.

We started  with Tedd's vision a bit over a year ago and 300 functions are  implemented, that is a great job to all who contributed. 

The end is in sight,  and patches to partially or completely implement one or more of these  functions would be greatly appreciated by  all.

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