<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear Brianna:<br><br>I struggle with these issues all the time and have been for nearly two years now with OpenSim.<br><br>One of the things I find that helps is to concentrate on the things that are implemented rather then the features that are not implemented. There are more tests I can imagine that will fail, then there are tests that pass. Mostly based on the fact that OpenSim is only about 60% finished.<br><br>Perhaps suggesting to some of your folks that concentrating on keeping continuous scripts testing working features is a better risk/reward ratio then demonstrating all the things that do not work. Also, it helps to have other independent folks test scripts as sometimes we fool ourselves with a configuration issue.<br><br>That is one of the reasons why sharing script source with forums, e-mail
and IRC has become so powerful for OpenSim. We can all have the same script and if tests can fail that used to work then we have good traction for a Mantis. This gets even better when an independent person can perform the same test and get the same failure on a different sim using a different operating system.<br><br>Charles<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Brianna <wwwench@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:12:18 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL functions left<br></font><br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">Charles,</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">No criticism received. What I want to pursue is a
broader test set. Owen often constructs bizarre looking objects that only
exist for test. From his kicked ball cross, strange linked swing set to our
vendor that sells you a blank box. They exist only to test functions. We were
thrilled to see the WP style teleporter healed (TP's were fixed). We need a
better answer for content creators that can't understand why last weeks objects
no longer work.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2"><font size="3">Bri<br></font><font size="1">(<em>The sailboat is
not a vehicle</em>)</font></font></div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">Dear
Bri:<br><br>I was certainly not criticizing you. I was just trying to figure
out how to best move forward. We are all volunteers and the trick is always to
figure out how to leverage all of our efforts to help each other move forward.
One of the ideas I had was to have a set of scripts running on a set of known
regions that folks could go and see were working and obtain the source from a
web site. Another related part of that same idea was to update regions and
have a set of scripts that one can easily check on with a login after region
update.<br><br>That is one of the purposes of the fountain, html-on-a-prim and
a couple of the other demonstrations at Wright Plaza.<br><br>So, perhaps some
similar idea might help you and your group.<br><br>Charles<br><br><br><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Brianna
<wwwench@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:53:43
PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Opensim-dev]
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">As to the SL compatibility, at this point in
development running back to SL to test is a handy tool. That also is a reason
to get flow control statements completed.<br>Our next meeting we will see what
we can concoct as a suggestion besides whining.</font></div>
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<p>Bri<br><font size="1">(<em>The sailboat is not a
vehicle</em>)</font></p></div>
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<a rel="nofollow" title="cfk@pacbell.net" ymailto="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">Charles Krinke</a> </div>
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<div>Dear Bri:<br><br>Can you offer some suggestions as to what you might
propose as we move forward? If I get your drift, you are addressing what
many call "regression", and that is important also. One of the thoughts I
had on that subject was a series of sims with scripts running 24/7
demonstrating the various functions that folks could log in and see they
were working after each update. At least that is what we have been doing on
the plazas for some time. <br><br>Perhaps you have some additional insight
that could let us close the loop?<br><br>Charles<br><br>p.s. I know a
sailboat is not a vehicle and making sure the force, mass, torque functions
keep working is also important.<br></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Brianna
<wwwench@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 17, 2009
1:00:36 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
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<p>On completed functions, what appears to be constantly ignored are other
area changes or errors that will break what was a working function. This
consumes a great deal of time thinking of new methods for an equivalent and
to me defeats the purpose of a function. The number of functions in that
category is not trivial. A few of us have considered creating a script to
test all as a harbinger.</p>
<p>Bri<br><font size="1">(<em>The sailboat is not a
vehicle</em>)</font></p></span></div>
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<div>Absolutely agreed on the compatibility. There will be implementation
quirks worth matching, but I think in most cases code can be made to work
on both OS and SL easily enough, and will be more reliable for the thought
put into it.</div>
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<div>If anyone has BSD licensed (because I'm not getting into reading code
that might cause trouble later) code which uses entirely implemented
functions, but doesn't work in only one of OS/SL, feel free to e-mail it
to me with instructions and I'll fix it, give a good reason why it
can't/shouldn't be fixed, or take that back...</div><br>
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<div>On 17 Jan 2009, at 02:41, Charles Krinke wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<div style="margin: 0px;">The vehicle functions are stubs and could use a
little attention. That is, llSetVehicleType, llSetVehicledoubleParam,
llSetVehicleFloatParam, llSetVehicleVectorParam,
llSetVehicleRotationParam, llSetVehicleFlags &
llRemoveVehicleFlags.<br><br>I dont think it is that crucial to have
complete secondlife compatibility at this point. I rather think it is
more important to get enough functionality so that folks can use scripts
at all.<br><br>We can have all those wonderful discussions about
compatibility as soon as we have all the functions implemented. And I
expect that discussion and the resulting patches to go on for some
time.<br><br>Charles<br></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"Frisby, Adam" <<a rel="nofollow" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" ymailto="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:adam@deepthink.com.au">adam@deepthink.com.au</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"<a rel="nofollow" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a>"
<<a rel="nofollow" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" ymailto="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de">opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, January 16, 2009
6:31:51 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Opensim-dev] 27 LSL
functions left<br></font><br>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Big
congratulations to everyone who has contributed, I had no idea it was
this close. Do we have a list of functions which only have a partial
implementation and need more work?</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Regards,</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Adam</span></div>
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Krinke<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 16 January 2009 4:14
PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>opensim-dev<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Opensim-dev] 27 LSL functions
left</span></div></div></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">There are 27 LSL functions with no
implementation left, and they are:<br><br>llRotTarget,
llRotTargetRemove, llLoopSoundMaster, llLoopSoundSlave,
llPlaySoundSlave, llLookAt, llStopLookAt, llCollisionFilter,
llAttachToAvatar, llDetachFromAvatar, llRotLookAt, llPointAt,
llStopPointAt, llGodLikeRezObject, llPassTouches, llSetDamage,
llTextBox, llPassCollisions, llGetCenterOfMass, llEdgeOfWorld,
llSetSoundQueueing, llTriggerSoundLimited, llGroundRepel,
llRemoteDataSetRegion & llSetInventoryPermMask.<br><br>We started
with Tedd's vision a bit over a year ago and 300 functions are
implemented, that is a great job to all who contributed.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>The end is in sight,
and patches to partially or completely implement one or more of these
functions would be greatly appreciated by
all.<br><br>Charles</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Opensim-dev
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