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comments, I prefer to give my items (textures, anims, code...) for<br>
free before anyone can sell them.<br>
<br>
Of course there are cases when a lawyer is needed but for a simple<br>
texture, believe me, I can live with some thieve around.<br>
<br>
I won't enter in themes like identity verification because I live in<br=
>
Spain and here we have a mandatory (by law, when you are 14 years old<br>
you need one) document to verify our identity. It is called DNI.<br>
<br>
My conclusion is that there aren't any effective technological method<b=
r>
to protect against content "robatory" (see DRM... :-P). You can t=
rust<br>
on people or you can use your legal forces... but a machine rarely<br>
will help you (unless this machine is some kind of Kalashnikov AK-47).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
2010/2/25, John Mieske <<a href=3D"mailto:johnmieske at gmail.com">johnmies=
ke at gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">> Whoa.. easy girl.. =A0didn't mea=
n to tick ya off.. =A0lol<br>
><br>
> It was O Hundred in the morning for me and you know what the O stands =
for ?<br>
> =A0OMG its early in the morning.. =A0 hahaha<br>
><br>
> Actually I think i was trying to say that with the exception of Textur=
es and<br>
> Sounds have items that you would know as prims have some sort of UUID =
on it.<br>
> When I use Second Inventory it attaches my UUID from my previous avata=
r to<br>
> the file name. It does that so if you re-upload it to SL it knows who =
you<br>
> are.<br>
><br>
> It wont stop a thief but more or less slow them down. The other thing =
is if<br>
> you upload with one UUID then the database can remember that one UUID =
and it<br>
> from that point on will allow only one UUID content to be uploaded. =
=A0If you<br>
> upload another file with a different file, it then flags you.. =A0If y=
ou<br>
> upload another one it alerts people when you look at their profile.. =
=A0I'm<br>
> just throwing ideas out there guys.. =A0someone might have some idea b=
ased off<br>
> these little stupid ideas i'm making.. but its worth a shot.<br>
><br>
> The sad part to the thief is that they MUST have a UUID number in the =
file<br>
> name or it will refuse to allow them to upload. Just a thought. ( Agai=
n this<br>
> wont apply to some items like textures if you upload one texture at a =
time.<br>
> However Bulk textures yes.. make them have a UUID. I mean seriously. T=
his is<br>
> why the UUID exists, why not use it. )<br>
><br>
> John<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Karen Palen <<a href=3D"mailto:ka=
ren_palen at yahoo.com">karen_palen at yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Take a look at your MySql database with one of the database tools.=
<br>
>><br>
>> That is actually how assets (including your Avatar) are presently =
stored!<br>
>><br>
>> The problem comes when you move the asset to another database and =
find<br>
>> that<br>
>> UUID is already used! A UUID is only truly unique if it is assigne=
d by a<br>
>> master (WORLDWIDE!) assignment which keeps track of every UUID!<br=
>
>><br>
>> The commonly used methods for assigning a UUID are either system d=
ependent<br>
>> or depend on duplicates being a very low probability.<br>
>><br>
>> Non-zero probability unfortunately.<br>
>><br>
>> Remember that if you try a billion times then billion to one odds =
have a<br>
>> 50% chance of happening!<br>
>><br>
>> IMHO that is the worst possible sort of problem to have! A problem=
 which<br>
>> happens very rarely yet screws up your database in subtle ways whe=
n it<br>
>> does<br>
>> happen!<br>
>><br>
>> There is an effort under way to provide a central asset indexer, b=
ut I<br>
>> don't know enough about it to judge any potential security pro=
blems.<br>
>><br>
>> The obvious "spoof" would be to substitute the index ent=
ry for something I<br>
>> have created (i.e. full rights) for somehting I wanted to steal (i=
.e. zero<br>
>> rights). I can think of several ways to counter this, but none whi=
ch are<br>
>> particularly robust let alone foolproof!<br>
>><br>
>> Karen<br>
>><br>
>> --- On Wed, 2/24/10, John Mieske <<a href=3D"mailto:johnmieske@=
gmail.com">johnmieske at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > From: John Mieske <<a href=3D"mailto:johnmieske at gmail.com"=
>johnmieske at gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking of Content Theft, How A=
bout Our<br>
>> > Own<br>
>> =A0Backyard?<br>
>> > To: <a href=3D"mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de">opensim=
-users at lists.berlios.de</a><br>
>> > Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 9:55 PM<br>
>> > Ok.. I have an idea.. =A0not sure how<br>
>> > possible this is.. =A0so this is a long shot.... =A0I know in=
<br>
>> > SL you can create a script that gets the persons UUID. That<b=
r>
>> > ID in turn can be used in conjunction with your items and in<=
br>
>> > SL it is what safe guards your inventory to a small degree.<b=
r>
>> > =A0It also shows who the creator and owner is. Now these guys=
<br>
>> > who upload the content, they get it and attempt to upload to<=
br>
>> > OSG for example. Now what if on the website OSG had a way to<=
br>
>> > create the user with the UUID from SL, IF they are using a<br=
>
>> > name from SL. In turn the UUID would store that users UUID<br=
>
>> > in the "new" database that would be the same one<br=
>
>> > from SL. Now.. =A0for the sake of argument, there would be a<=
br>
>> > check mark you as a newbie can click to show your using a<br>
>> > name from SL. =A0Now if that person who did not check mark<br=
>
>> > that cannot upload content already made. ( accept textures<br=
>
>> > and sounds which there is NO WAY to safeguard against. But<br=
>
>> > all other content will have been made from a grid other then<=
br>
>> > OSG can show this. If the content from OSG is made then<br>
>> > another type of perms is set so that you must have a UUID<br>
>> > attached on each file if you want to re-upload it..<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Maybe I am saying it wrong and I know i'm<br>
>> > exhaustedly tired right now. =A0But can anyone get an idea of=
<br>
>> > what i'm saying here ?<br>
>> > John<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:45 PM,<br>
>> > Master_Mirage <<a href=3D"mailto:mirage123 at verizon.net">mi=
rage123 at verizon.net</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sadly like so many schemes that only works until some crook<b=
r>
>> > fakes the "do<br>
>> ><br>
>> > not copy flag" or something similar.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Even something which is a "closely held" as the<br>
>> > IPod has similar problems. I<br>
>> ><br>
>> > did a search for Ipod apps on Pirate Bay the other day.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > They are always a good check of what works and what<br>
>> > doesn't!<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I found more than 1000 items, including all kinds of MP3s,<br=
>
>> > software, and<br>
>> ><br>
>> > "hacks"!<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Many many very competent people have worked on Digital<br>
>> > Rights Management<br>
>> ><br>
>> > (DRM), but as far as I know there has never been any<br>
>> > solution worth the<br>
>> ><br>
>> > trouble and hassle involved!<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > That doesn't stop the snake oil salesman from claiming<br=
>
>> > to have "the<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ultimate" solution of course.We are seeing that on<br>
>> > Second Life right now.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Karen<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -------------------------------------------------------------=
----<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I agree to a point. I tend to think in terms if asked<br>
>> > "What have i done as a<br>
>> ><br>
>> > grid oper. to help stop the spread of stolen content?"<b=
r>
>> > I have nothing to<br>
>> ><br>
>> > show them sadly and thats scary as hell to me!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > If as a grid op i can at least show a good faith attemp at<br=
>
>> > prevention and<br>
>> ><br>
>> > away to track it quickly to the user that broght it in. Id<br=
>
>> > feel alot better<br>
>> ><br>
>> > and prob. the users would be alot happyer knowing it too.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Something at this point is better than nothing i think.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > :-)<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> ><br>
>> > View this message in context:<br>
>> <a href=3D"http://n2.nabble.com/Speaking-of-Content-Theft-How-Abou=
t-Our-Own-Backyard-tp4622175p4630592.html" target=3D"_blank">http://n2.nabb=
le.com/Speaking-of-Content-Theft-How-About-Our-Own-Backyard-tp4622175p46305=
92.html</a><br>

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>> ><br>
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