[Opensim-users] Touch to open by other users not working?

Sun Oct 28 21:32:09 UTC 2012

Sure, I completely understand that, I work with students too so I
definitely understand where you're coming from.  My last email was just
trying to clarify if there is some confusion between the "open" and "buy
contents" options, because they work differently based on who owns the prim
and who has edit permissions on the prim.

I _think_ for the use case you've described, where you will own the prim,
and you want students to be able to simply left click on it to get the
uniform items, then what you want is the "buy contents" option, not the
"open" option.  Even though of course they won't actually be buying
anything since you'll set the price to zero.

Here's what you have to do to make that work:

- In your opensim.ini file, go to the [Economy] section and make sure
enable buying and selling for $0 is set to true (I think this is the
default, but might want to double check).

- Place the uniform items inside your prim, make sure all items are at
least copyable.

- Edit your container prim, in the General tab check the box to set the
item for sale, set the price to $0.

- Click the radio button under the sale price for "Contents" to sell the
contents of the prim and not the prim itself.

- In the lower left corner of the edit window, use the pull down menu to
set When left-clicked: Buy Object

Then when your student left clicks on the prim, it will open a window to
automatically buy the contents of your prim.  I'm not sure the check box to
"Wear clothing now" actually works in Opensim, but that's where it will
show up for your users if it does work.  If not, the students will need to
wear the items from their inventory.

Give that a try and see if it behaves the way you were hoping.  =)

- Chris/Fleep

Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque)
Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM)
UCIT Instructional & Research Computing
University of Cincinnati
406A Zimmer Hall
315 College Drive
PO BOX 210088
Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
chris.collins at uc.edu
(513) 556-3018

http://ucsim.uc.edu

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Dr Ramesh Ramloll <r.ramloll at gmail.com>wrote:

> This is the use case: Students logs in, and need to wear uniform. They
> are not Second Life users, don't want to buy anything, just wear the
> uniform and proceed to do their task. After they do their thing, they
> will never ever log into the environment again. Aim here is to go in,
> do you stuff in a team and get out with minimal number of things to
> learn etc...
> While I understand that Second Life *expects* prior knowledge of a
> certain kind which grew based on the trajectory of the environment, it
> might not be helpful to project this expectation on the 'casual' user
> because this usually leads to things that they need to learn before
> they actually get to do things they need to (which I equate to user
> interface noise).
> Ramesh
>
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Fleep Tuque <fleep513 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I must be confused, as far as I know another user has NEVER been able to
> > open a prim owned by someone else unless they have edit permissions on
> that
> > user's items.  Why should they?  It's my prim, you shouldn't be able to
> open
> > it unless you have edit privs on my stuff.  Unless of course you've
> bought a
> > copy of the prim and you are now the owner yourself, THEN you should be
> able
> > to open the prim.
> >
> > If you're trying to give that functionality to someone else when you are
> > still the owner of the prim, are you perhaps confusing the combination of
> > "setting a prim for sale + contents radio button + default touch action
> set
> > to buy" with being able to open a prim? If the item is set for sale, to
> sell
> > the contents, and the default touch action is set to buy the object, then
> > when another user clicks on the prim, it opens the window to buy the
> item's
> > contents.
> >
> > Sorry if this is confusing, but as far as I can tell in opensim 0.7.4,
> the
> > "open" option functions exactly as expected.
> >
> > - Chris/Fleep
> >
> >
> > Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque)
> > Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM)
> > UCIT Instructional & Research Computing
> > University of Cincinnati
> > 406A Zimmer Hall
> > 315 College Drive
> > PO BOX 210088
> > Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
> > chris.collins at uc.edu
> > (513) 556-3018
> >
> > http://ucsim.uc.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 2:48 PM, James Hughes <jamesh at bluewallgroup.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> OK, thanks. My dev grid is HG enabled and I see the same behavior. If I
> >> edit the container prim with an alt I see wrong permissions. I asked
> about
> >> HG because some work was done recently to restrict import and export of
> >> prims. So, I was wondering. Maybe I will get some time to look into this
> >> soon.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -BlueWall
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/28/2012 02:26 PM, Dr Ramesh Ramloll wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi James,
> >>> No they are not on HG enabled regions.
> >>> Ramesh
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 1:23 PM, James Hughes<jamesh at bluewallgroup.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Are these objects in HG enabled regions?
> >>>>
> >>>> -BlueWall
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/28/2012 08:21 AM, Dr Ramesh Ramloll wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks so much Garmin.  Now I know what I need to do to make things
> >>>>> work. There must be a reason why these constraints were implemented,
> >>>>> will try to find out. Right now, they look more like barriers to me,
> >>>>> because now I have to find a way to friend casual users, or find out
> >>>>> how to put them in groups.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:28 AM, GarminKawaguichi
> >>>>> <garmin.kawaguichi at magalaxie.com>   wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> After a few tries:
> >>>>>> Open has the same level of security as Edit
> >>>>>> If an avatar wants to Edit/Open an object owned by yourself
> >>>>>> - he must be your friend with the right "Friend can edit, delete or
> >>>>>> take
> >>>>>> objects" set in Contacts
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>> - the object must be shared with a group and the avatar must have
> the
> >>>>>> same
> >>>>>> group activated!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> GCI
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Le 28/10/2012 01:35, Dr Ramesh Ramloll a écrit :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yes, I have set the 'click to:' drop down list to 'open'.
> >>>>>>> Opensim version 0.7.4
> >>>>>>> Works fine for me but not for others.
> >>>>>>> Ramesh
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 7:10 PM, R.Gunther<rigun at rigutech.nl>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Have you set in edit under geberal the option
> >>>>>>>> "when left clicked" to "open" ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It works fine for me that way with a pretty recent git version.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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