[Opensim-users] Hypergrid Outbound Probs & HG AddressConfusion

Sat Sep 24 11:15:29 UTC 2011

Many thanks to everyone who replied about the current situation with
Hypergrid - I didn't realize the version I'm running (7.1) is incompatible
with later versions, which is probably the source of a lot of my outbound
jump failures.  I'll try upgrading today and see if that helps.

I also found Mimetic's argument pretty persuasive for having OSGrid be the
"center" of the HG metaverse.  When I selected the center coords for
FleepGrid (9000,9000), I did so because OSGrid was in the 10k range and I
assumed that was the neighborhood one should start in, and I think it makes
sense for folks who have smaller far less complex grids or those just coming
on board to locate around OSGrid rather than the other way around
considering the incredible complexity of trying to get all of the OSGrid
regions to change locations.  *It would be nice if the user community could
come to consensus on that issue and make it known* so that unsuspecting new
grid managers don't have to go through the frustrations I just did trying to
understand what the deal is.

I'd also seriously encourage anyone who publishes their hypergrid addresses
to please please also publish the region coords and current opensim version
it's running, because it's immensely frustrating for those trying to learn,
test, or just travel the hypergrid to not have that information.  Of course
now that I realize that you can't make a jump to a region with the exact
same coords your region has,  I'll probably be offsetting the coords for the
regions on FleepGrid, but I'll be staying in the 9000 range and make sure to
publish the coords and versions to hopefully save some other poor hapless
traveler some confusion.

And now to upgrade to the latest RC and see what happens...  :)

- Chris/Fleep

Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque)
Project Manager, UC Second Life
UCit Instructional & Research Computing
University of Cincinnati
406E Zimmer Hall
PO Box 210088
Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
(513)556-3018
chris.collins at uc.edu

http://www.uc.edu/ucit/learningtools/secondlife.html

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:37 AM, Ai Austin <ai.ai.austin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Let me try Chris. Othere can correct me if I am wrong on any point.
>
> The first thing to understudying is that the HG arrangements have been
> altereing across 0.6.9, 0.7.10, 0.7.1 and its minor variants, so soem are
> NOT at all compatible and you cannot jump from one to another.  There have
> also been changes to the string used to dfescribe a HG location in
> osAentTeleport, and the map type in box... but old versions are still
> supported in the current dev releases. I will restrict myself here to
> answers from a 0.7.2 Dev perspective as we are now at 0.7.2 RC2 and it
> sjhoud soon be the ofiocial stable release.
>
> At 02:16 23/09/2011, Fleep Tuque <fleep513 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>  QUESTION 1:  I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their
>> sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this
>> blog
>> post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?**p=222<http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222> It appears many
>> people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a
>> reason
>> why?  If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not going to
>> go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to
>> make hypergridding easier for travelers..  I haven't changed them on
>> FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best
>> course
>> to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're
>> about to install.
>>
>
> For same reason you have not changed others have not I expect.... it is
> work for one grid run by one group, imaging something like, OSGrid with
> thousands of region owners and computers.    Some of us have been suggesting
> that a waning "are you sure you want to go above 4096,4096" warning be given
> in the console when a region is created to gently encourage people not to
> make more new regions above that.
>
>
>  QUESTION 2:  If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then don't
>> we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG address in
>> order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or not?
>>
>
>
> YES YES YES.. It is the first question I ask anyone who gives me a HG
> address before I try a jump, otherwise how would I know where to jump from?
>  On our HG gateway regions for hopping up and down grids we show a map board
> of how to jump... along with aactive HG osAgentTeleport items on them that
> an avatar can click on and go in one click. see images at
> http://openvce.net/2011-01-27-**opensim-hypergrid<http://openvce.net/2011-01-27-opensim-hypergrid>
>
> We publish our regions like this:
>
> Visit Openvue via Hypergrid:
>   http://virtual.aiai.ed.ac.uk:**8002 <http://virtual.aiai.ed.ac.uk:8002>Openvue  (at 1000,1000)
>   http://virtual.aiai.ed.ac.uk:**8002 <http://virtual.aiai.ed.ac.uk:8002>Vue-5000 (at 5000,5000)
>   http://virtual.aiai.ed.ac.uk:**8002 <http://virtual.aiai.ed.ac.uk:8002>Vue-9000 (at 9017,9017)
>
> Vue-hosted Hypergrid Gateways and Regions on OSGrid:
>   http://hg.osgrid.org:80 Vue-3200  (at 3200,3200)
>   http://hg.osgrid.org:80 Vue-6400  (at 6400,6400)
>   http://hg.osgrid.org:80 VCE       (at 6400,6399)
>
> We provide an active object on each HG gateway and our core regions which
> displays the grid name and
>
>
>  QUESTION 3:  I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a
>> hypergrid URL.  I've seen so many variations!
>>
>> secondlife://domain.com:8002:**RegionName
>> http://domain.com:8002:**RegionName
>> http://hg.domain.com:8002:**RegionName
>>
>
> First does not work for OpenSim in chat in Viewer 2 any longer I believe.
>
> yourdomain.com:port:region continues to work as the old supported format.
>
> http://yourdomain.com:port:**region works I think, but was an intermediate
> form on the way to the current version with the region name separated off,
> and a compulsory http:// on the front to give a proper URL.  (
> hg.domain.com is just someone using hg in their DNS, you will see it on
> hg.osgrid.org:80 - but it could be myrobustserver.domain.com)
>
> http://domain.com:port Regionname  is the currently preferred format. Use
> " " round teh region name if it includes a space.
>
>
>  QUESTION 4:  FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface version
>> 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I also have
>> a
>> Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000.  If you're running a
>> compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able to
>> hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can
>> give
>> it a try on a known "should work" region?  I'm finding so many broken
>> addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's
>> wrong with hypergridding out.
>>
>
> You are asking too limited a question as you are on 0.7.1  and if other
> grids are on 0.7.1.1 not 0.7.2 you will not be able to jump successfully Try
> a jump to Vue-9000 though as a test. It is running 0.7.2 dev master
> (effectively the sake as 0.7 RC2).  Upgrade to 0.7.1.1 or 0.7.2 RC2 and you
> should be able to try a jump to Vue-9000 which is at (actually just very
> near for technical reasons) 9000,9000. And if your firewall and servers are
> set up jump back home.
>
>   http://virtual.aiai.ed.ac.uk:**8002 <http://virtual.aiai.ed.ac.uk:8002>Vue-9000   (at 9017,9017)
>
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