[Opensim-users] Retaining correct creator/owner when moving OARs between stand-alone simulators.

[Karen Palen]

I am waiting to see what happens when the Sim-World and Avatar Hangout
merge comes on line in (supposedly) 9 days from now.
http://www.sim-world.org/

"Karen Palen" has account on BOTH grids, and as far as the operators of
the grids know there is NO relationship between the two! The DO have
similar (but not identical) inventories.

In fact both inventories are derived from my private standalone sim
where I do all of my building. However NEITHER grid operator has any way
to know or verify this!

Over the years I have become an expert on "name collisions" in my
professional work. Mostly because they are so easy to produce without
intending to (who would EVER merge THOSE two projects????) and in many
cases they are impossible to resolve properly.

At the VR level it is bad enough, but when you merge two huge
engineering projects (say two jet fighter designs - think F14 and F15)
each with a couple of TERRABYTES of design information which may or may
not use the same names for different things ...

I have seen several $1B+ projects (government AND private) abandoned
because of this problem. Of COURSE the "finger pointing" never
acknowledged this, but the workers know all!

When you add "evil intent" to the mix you open a whole host of added
possibilities!

According to one of the "less reputable" blogs I monitor, forging Torley
Linden" as creator of copybotted items in Second Life is now the "latest
thing".

They seem to rotate between various Lindens and various Second Life
personalities (whom I don't know) as "hated bad guy of the day". The
actual "debate" is about who to target next.

I am SO glad that circus has not YET migrated to OpenSimulator!

Karen

On 09/11/2011 03:52 PM, Cider Jack wrote:
> Re: name collisions (I like that terminology)
> Additionally, a skilled professional builder in-world would have his
> reputation tarnished if someone were to upload poor-quality goods with
> the same creator name. Again, this wouldn't require any 'evil intent',
> the uploader may just be completely unaware of the other builder.
> 
> I don't mean to spread FUD (really!), but I do think it's something to
> keep in mind. I'm very happy to see the introduction of the --profile
> switch. It's a major step in the right direction and much better than
> nothing, but it's not yet a complete solution. And really, name
> collisions, at least those with any notable consequences, would be
> extremely rare I expect.
> 
> I hold hope that since the 6-month wall has been removed between
> viewer & server development, we can expect to see workable solutions
> eventually. I'm looking forward to things like "Next owner can/cannot
> transfer this off-grid" checkbox permissions! Ideally including a CC
> permission drop-down box on objects/textures, to select the
> appropriate CC license (perhaps providing the appropriate link?), as
> well as including Public Domain & traditional copyright on that list.
> Something similar for scripts with GPL, BSD, whathaveyou... /me keeps
> dreaming...
> 
> @Justin
> I agree that "overly trusting user names on grids is a mistake",
> though some people's professional reputations depend in large part on
> their avatar names (whether using their RL name or not). Jokay
> Wollongong and Pathfinder Lester are a couple that come to mind
> immediately. Virtual worlds really are a "second life" in more ways
> than one, and as time & technology progress, will become more tightly
> intertwined & harder to separate from our first. Though I'm sure I
> don't need to tell you, of all people! :)
> 
> Cheers,
> ~!CJ
> 
> On 9/12/11, Karen Palen <karenpalensl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree with you!
>>
>> I use the name "Karen Palen" on at least a dozen grids, each with
>> content that I have created on my private standalone. Often there are
>> local "tweaks" suited to the local grid.
>>
>> Typically (but not always any more) the items were uploaded via Second
>> Inventory or a Viewer based XML file so the "owner" is the local
>> "Karen". In several instances recently though I have used hypergrid for
>> my standalone "Karen" to visit a "Karen" on another grid to transfer items.
>>
>> Name collisions of this kind would be very hard to resolve even without
>> any "evil intent"!
>>
>> Karen
>>
>> On 09/09/2011 05:32 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think overly trusting user names on grids is a mistake - after all,
>>> anybody person could create an account with that name and associate bad
>>> content with it.  And to be honest, the SL mechanisms were never
>>> designed with this kind of content transfer to third party grids in mind.
>>>
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