[Opensim-users] Warning, one month Warning

John Ward jward at uci.edu
Thu Mar 4 19:27:24 UTC 2010


Where did I say "never reply to this group again"?  Yesterday you left 
because of the danger of what the devs could put in Opensim.  Today you 
add it's because of something I said that I never did say.

I'll inject the truth from our private conversation.  You said "No 
replies will be coming from me again on this topic."  I did respond with 
"I'd prefer you not respond, especially to the lists.  I don't find your 
dispersions or paranoia useful."

I wish you were honest about your intenstions and didn't reply.  If you 
are leaving the Opensim community then I do wish you would stop posting 
too.  At the very least you need to stop lying and stop the 
mis-characterizations.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

John.

On 03/04/2010 11:00 AM, John Mieske wrote:
> This is not fun to me.. and with people like John Ward telling me to
> never reply to this group again is why I got tired of OpenSim and why I
> decided its not worth my time to help with it any longer.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Karen Palen <karenpalensl at gmail.com
> <mailto:karenpalensl at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     This is a learning process for all of us!
>
>     Hopefully a relatively fun way to learn though :-)
>
>     Karen
>
>
>     On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Master_Mirage
>     <mirage123 at verizon.net <mailto:mirage123 at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         The point is that if you run "development" software for
>         "production" you
>         WILL have problems!
>
>         One of the subtle differences between OpenSource development
>         "closed source"
>         development is that "there is no bottom to the rabbit hole"! You
>         can change
>         anything and run the most unstable "bleeding edge" software
>         imaginable.
>
>         Commercial ("closed source") software does not get released
>         until much later
>         in the design cycle. If OpenSim were "closed source" then likely
>         V0.6.7
>         would be "production" and V 0.6.8 would be "beta" - if indeed
>         ANY of it was
>         allowed outside the factory!
>
>         Essentially the difference is that you get to make the choice
>         and live with
>         the results!
>
>         If you are prepared for things a lot more subtle than the April
>         1 pranks to
>         go wrong then running the "head" revision helps the developers
>         by testing
>         the software in a realistic environment using "standard idiots"
>         as uisers.
>
>         If you are trying to build a virtual world and want to
>         concentrate on
>         getting stuff built and working "in world" then you should be
>         using one of
>         the release versions!
>
>         Just because the nightly builds or "head" version doesn't break
>         often does *
>         not* mean that they won't break!
>
>         The April 1 antics should serve as a reminder of this!
>
>         Karen
>
>
>
>
>         On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Master_Mirage
>         <mirage123 at verizon.net <mailto:mirage123 at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>          >
>          > Yah i remeber last year, got alot of ppl mad too. The problem
>         wasent so
>          > mutch
>          > about the prank it was not knowing one would be played.
>         Hopefully at least
>          > this time grid ops are better informed than last time.
>          > So in that way i have to say ty for the reminder.
>          > Stick ppl was funny just happened in an un-expected time and way.
>          > It was quickly un-done and as said allready check mantis on
>         that day as
>          > they
>          > usualy allready have away to counter it if needed.
>          > As far as If its right or wrong to do it. Ill avoid that
>         topic lol.
>         ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Well for me last year was a matter of not knowing what was
>         beeing reffered
>         too.
>         It was at the same time as real virus threat was bbeing warrned
>         about and me
>         not knowing exactly what it was. Thought that thay were talking
>         about a
>         trick on OSG users or a joke just between devs ect..
>         I never considered it would be done in the master svn code.
>         When i saw that something was wrong, It became a series of
>         things as i
>         dident know and made the worst assumption and that my system had
>         been hacked
>         and nothing todo with the build.
>
>         Anyway, For me it came down to just not knowing what was beeing
>         reffered
>         too.
>         I really dident care about the prank its selph. At the same time
>         there were
>         some that seemed to be using it as an excuse to make alot of
>         trouble. Im
>         shure theres some that remeber that too.
>         New ppl may be getting the wrong impression and dont know what
>         scars there
>         were from then.
>
>         In hindsight (now that i know) its not a big deal and is done to
>         have fun.
>         It doset make it into tagged rev. it dosent harm data or have
>         some black
>         hidden stuff in it. Its just a joke and lives for one day in a
>         dev. git
>         build is all.
>
>         The sky is not falling :)  Have some fun if its done at all this
>         year.
>
>
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