[Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the display of web

Olli Aro olli_aro at yahoo.co.uk
Thu Sep 17 07:18:51 UTC 2009 

Hi all,

Just discovered that if you do use the Second Life viewer with your OpenSim
then you just need to set AutoMimeDiscovery to 1 in settings.xml and web
content works!!! 

Regards,

Olli

> -----Original Message-----
> From: opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-users-
> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Toni Alatalo
> Sent: 17 September 2009 07:31
> To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the display of web
> 
> Charles Krinke kirjoitti:
> > As far as OpenCroquet, I would encourage folks to find ways for us to
> > interop between OpenSim and OpenCroquet. It would be really cool to
> be
> > able to view an OpenCroquet space from a prim on an OpenSim region or
> > ideally to be able to step through a gateway some time.
> 
> BTW, I wrote a little web server plugin to the Naali (new rex) viewer
> this autumn, to serve live screenshots and perhaps video to outside: to
> a web page, or to be a texture on some object anywhere else. There's a
> screenshot and a link to the source (in viewer trunk) in
> http://wiki.realxtend.org/index.php/Naali_webserver_plugin
> 
> So if someone has a spare machine that can keep running a viewer
> connected to some region on e.g. osgrid, we could put a live image e.g.
> on the opensimulator.org web page :) .. Naali doesn't have LOD
> optimizations yet, so for a complex region like Wright Plaza you need a
> powerful gfx card .. but simple regions work on weak cards, even Intel
> integrated etc. (basically anything where Ogre runs, and it runs pretty
> much everywhere). People (e.g. Ryan/sempuki) have now been using Naali
> succesfully on Linux too.
> 
> The idea is that by having the web server plugin running inside the
> viewer, it is easy to expose viewer things like controlling the camera
> to some web ui - that's not done yet, feel free to expand, anyone.
> There
> are some calls for cam and avatar control in the API ready for use,
> just
> need to add some html buttons to the ui (and I guess ajax would be the
> way). This is not a feature that was planned, but just happened to be
> low hanging fruit 'cause the event framework we've used came with a web
> server too, so I wanted to test it.
> 
> Is fun to be able to provide a view, even a controllable one, to anyone
> on the web without any plugins or anything. Limitations of the viewer
> of
> course apply, like right now you still see every avatar as the viewer
> default avatar, but that's already changing :)
> 
> > Charles
> 
> ~Toni
> 
> 
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > *From:* Olli Aro <olli_aro at yahoo.co.uk>
> > *To:* opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:09:19 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the display of
> web
> >
> > Sloodle project also has something similar. Initially that is
> > developed for Second Life (and I have not tested it in OpenSim), but
> > cannot see why it would not also work there.
> >
> >
> >
> > The link to that project is here:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.sloodle.org/browser/get.php
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Olli
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> > [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] *On Behalf Of *Fish
> Kungfu
> > *Sent:* 16 September 2009 12:05
> > *To:* opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the display of
> web
> >
> >
> >
> > Daniel...
> >
> > Glad to hear you are working on this.  I searched the OpenSim email
> > archives and only found one reference to Open Croquet
> (opencroquet.org
> > <http://opencroquet.org>).  Open Croquet is another 3D world
> > development environment.  The only reason I mention it is because it
> > says on their site they they support in-world web-browsing and I
> > thought you might get some ideas or inspiration by seeing what
> they've
> > done (without violating their licensing etc).  The in-world web
> > browsing is accomplished via a module called "Croquet Collaborative"
> > (http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Croquet_Collaborative).  Sadly
> > the zip file link didn't work for me.
> >
> > Anyways, I hope this helps some, without sending you on a wild goose
> > chase.  :-)
> >
> > ~~Fish~~
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Daniel <dt11 at gmx.net
> > <mailto:dt11 at gmx.net>> wrote:
> >
> > At the moment, I'm trying to "expand" the web functionality of
> OpenSim
> > by integrating a webbrowser control. With the help of that control
> the
> > user would be able to interact on a webpage displayed on a texture by
> > sending the coordinates of his mouse to that control. Furthermore, an
> > instance of the Internet Explorer running in the background could be
> > used with these coords to manage different user interactions like
> link
> > forwarding or editing form fields. As a result the updated webpage is
> > rendered with the IElementRenderer to a temporary image file that is
> > send back to the texture in OpenSim.
> >
> > I know that this solution is limited in various ways (and is not
> > compatible with *nix servers) but it is one possibility to go apart
> > from picidae.net <http://picidae.net> and get independent. For me, it
> > is a first step to achieve a separate webbrowser control in OpenSim.
> >
> >
> > -DAniel
> >
> >
> > 2009/9/14 Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com
> <mailto:rtkwebman at gmail.com>>
> >
> > > >
> > > > Really? You mean under mono like OpenSim does? Never thought
> about
> > that and
> > > > I
> > > > did not see any docs about it. Unfortunately that still leaves me
> > with the
> > > > over the top rendering requirements to really do RealXtend
> justice.
> > > >
> > > > -Robert
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeroen van Veen wrote:
> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "I don't want to go the route of realxtend due to it not
> > running on a*nix
> > >> > > server"
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It does run fine on linux servers.  :-)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Friday 11 September 2009 17:43:05 Robert Klein wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> > >> Hey Charles,
> > >>> > >> What about being able to display an actual web page in
> > realtime like the
> > >>> > >> realxtend viewer does? I have several of the static "web
> page
> > on a prim"
> > >>> > >> boards using picidai.net <http://picidai.net> running on my
> > company's internal opensim, but
> > >>> > >>  after playing with the functionality of realxtend.. well
> > what we have
> > >>>
> > > > in
> > >
> > >>> > >>  opensim does not compare. In this day and age having the
> > ability to at
> > >>> > >>  least view a functioning web page in real time and see it
> > updating is
> > >>> > >>  crucial to business/educational users. Being able to
> > interact with that
> > >>> > >>  web page would be incredible. VNC would be cool too.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> I know there are plenty of work arounds for emulating this
> > >>>
> > > > functionality,
> > >
> > >>> > >>  it would be great to just have it built-in. I don't want to
> > go the
> > >>>
> > > > route
> > >
> > >>> > >>  of realxtend due to it not running on a*nix server, plus
> > different
> > >>>
> > > > users
> > >
> > >>> > >>  with different graphics cards get much different
> experiences.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> Is anyone even working on this kind of functionality in
> > opensim/hippo?
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> -Robert
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> Charles Krinke wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> > >> > Well, web pages on a prim are not necessarily a
> > characteristic of the
> > >>>> > >> > client.
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> > What we have been doing for the last couple of years is
> > displaying web
> > >>>> > >> > pages on prims in OpenSim and using an external helping
> > web site for
> > >>>> > >> > picture formatting such as picidai.net
> <http://picidai.net>.
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> > There are a series of prims spread around OSGrid and the
> > OSGrid forums
> > >>>> > >> > have the script source. One of the prims doing web pages
> > on a prim is
> > >>>>
> > >>> > >> on
> > >>>
> > >>>> > >> > Wright Plaza and has been working reliably for over a
> year.
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> > Charles
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> > ________________________________
> > >>>> > >> > From: Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com
> > <mailto:rtkwebman at gmail.com>>
> > >>>> > >> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> > <mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
> > >>>> > >> > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:30:42 AM
> > >>>> > >> > Subject: [Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the
> > display of web
> > >>>> > >> > pages?
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> >
> > >>>> > >> > I know the realxtend viewer can display web pages on a
> > prim, but what
> > >>>> > >> > about
> > >>>> > >> > support for this in Hippo? Any chance of this happening
> in
> > the next 3
> > >>>>
> > > > -
> > >
> > >>> > >> 6
> > >>>
> > >>>> > >> > months?
> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>
> > >>>
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >> > >
> > >>
> > > >
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