[Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the display of web

Toni Alatalo antont at kyperjokki.fi
Thu Sep 17 06:31:10 UTC 2009 

Charles Krinke kirjoitti:
> As far as OpenCroquet, I would encourage folks to find ways for us to 
> interop between OpenSim and OpenCroquet. It would be really cool to be 
> able to view an OpenCroquet space from a prim on an OpenSim region or 
> ideally to be able to step through a gateway some time.

BTW, I wrote a little web server plugin to the Naali (new rex) viewer 
this autumn, to serve live screenshots and perhaps video to outside: to 
a web page, or to be a texture on some object anywhere else. There's a 
screenshot and a link to the source (in viewer trunk) in
http://wiki.realxtend.org/index.php/Naali_webserver_plugin

So if someone has a spare machine that can keep running a viewer 
connected to some region on e.g. osgrid, we could put a live image e.g. 
on the opensimulator.org web page :) .. Naali doesn't have LOD 
optimizations yet, so for a complex region like Wright Plaza you need a 
powerful gfx card .. but simple regions work on weak cards, even Intel 
integrated etc. (basically anything where Ogre runs, and it runs pretty 
much everywhere). People (e.g. Ryan/sempuki) have now been using Naali 
succesfully on Linux too.

The idea is that by having the web server plugin running inside the 
viewer, it is easy to expose viewer things like controlling the camera 
to some web ui - that's not done yet, feel free to expand, anyone. There 
are some calls for cam and avatar control in the API ready for use, just 
need to add some html buttons to the ui (and I guess ajax would be the 
way). This is not a feature that was planned, but just happened to be 
low hanging fruit 'cause the event framework we've used came with a web 
server too, so I wanted to test it.

Is fun to be able to provide a view, even a controllable one, to anyone 
on the web without any plugins or anything. Limitations of the viewer of 
course apply, like right now you still see every avatar as the viewer 
default avatar, but that's already changing :)

> Charles

~Toni


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> *From:* Olli Aro <olli_aro at yahoo.co.uk>
> *To:* opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:09:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the display of web
>
> Sloodle project also has something similar. Initially that is 
> developed for Second Life (and I have not tested it in OpenSim), but 
> cannot see why it would not also work there.
>
>  
>
> The link to that project is here:
>
>  
>
> http://www.sloodle.org/browser/get.php
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
>  
>
> Olli
>
>  
>
> *From:* opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de 
> [mailto:opensim-users-bounces at lists.berlios.de] *On Behalf Of *Fish Kungfu
> *Sent:* 16 September 2009 12:05
> *To:* opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the display of web
>
>  
>
> Daniel...
>
> Glad to hear you are working on this.  I searched the OpenSim email 
> archives and only found one reference to Open Croquet (opencroquet.org 
> <http://opencroquet.org>).  Open Croquet is another 3D world 
> development environment.  The only reason I mention it is because it 
> says on their site they they support in-world web-browsing and I 
> thought you might get some ideas or inspiration by seeing what they've 
> done (without violating their licensing etc).  The in-world web 
> browsing is accomplished via a module called "Croquet Collaborative" 
> (http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Croquet_Collaborative).  Sadly 
> the zip file link didn't work for me.
>
> Anyways, I hope this helps some, without sending you on a wild goose 
> chase.  :-)
>
> ~~Fish~~
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Daniel <dt11 at gmx.net 
> <mailto:dt11 at gmx.net>> wrote:
>
> At the moment, I'm trying to "expand" the web functionality of OpenSim 
> by integrating a webbrowser control. With the help of that control the 
> user would be able to interact on a webpage displayed on a texture by 
> sending the coordinates of his mouse to that control. Furthermore, an 
> instance of the Internet Explorer running in the background could be 
> used with these coords to manage different user interactions like link 
> forwarding or editing form fields. As a result the updated webpage is 
> rendered with the IElementRenderer to a temporary image file that is 
> send back to the texture in OpenSim.
>
> I know that this solution is limited in various ways (and is not 
> compatible with *nix servers) but it is one possibility to go apart 
> from picidae.net <http://picidae.net> and get independent. For me, it 
> is a first step to achieve a separate webbrowser control in OpenSim.
>
>
> -DAniel
>
>
> 2009/9/14 Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com <mailto:rtkwebman at gmail.com>>
>
> > >
> > > Really? You mean under mono like OpenSim does? Never thought about 
> that and
> > > I
> > > did not see any docs about it. Unfortunately that still leaves me 
> with the
> > > over the top rendering requirements to really do RealXtend justice.
> > >
> > > -Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeroen van Veen wrote:
> >
> >> > >
> >> > > "I don't want to go the route of realxtend due to it not 
> running on a*nix
> >> > > server"
> >> > >
> >> > > It does run fine on linux servers.  :-)
> >> > >
> >> > > On Friday 11 September 2009 17:43:05 Robert Klein wrote:
> >>
> >>> > >> Hey Charles,
> >>> > >> What about being able to display an actual web page in 
> realtime like the
> >>> > >> realxtend viewer does? I have several of the static "web page 
> on a prim"
> >>> > >> boards using picidai.net <http://picidai.net> running on my 
> company's internal opensim, but
> >>> > >>  after playing with the functionality of realxtend.. well 
> what we have
> >>>
> > > in
> >
> >>> > >>  opensim does not compare. In this day and age having the 
> ability to at
> >>> > >>  least view a functioning web page in real time and see it 
> updating is
> >>> > >>  crucial to business/educational users. Being able to 
> interact with that
> >>> > >>  web page would be incredible. VNC would be cool too.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I know there are plenty of work arounds for emulating this
> >>>
> > > functionality,
> >
> >>> > >>  it would be great to just have it built-in. I don't want to 
> go the
> >>>
> > > route
> >
> >>> > >>  of realxtend due to it not running on a*nix server, plus 
> different
> >>>
> > > users
> >
> >>> > >>  with different graphics cards get much different experiences.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Is anyone even working on this kind of functionality in 
> opensim/hippo?
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> -Robert
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Charles Krinke wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> > >> > Well, web pages on a prim are not necessarily a 
> characteristic of the
> >>>> > >> > client.
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> > What we have been doing for the last couple of years is 
> displaying web
> >>>> > >> > pages on prims in OpenSim and using an external helping 
> web site for
> >>>> > >> > picture formatting such as picidai.net <http://picidai.net>.
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> > There are a series of prims spread around OSGrid and the 
> OSGrid forums
> >>>> > >> > have the script source. One of the prims doing web pages 
> on a prim is
> >>>>
> >>> > >> on
> >>>
> >>>> > >> > Wright Plaza and has been working reliably for over a year.
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> > Charles
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> > ________________________________
> >>>> > >> > From: Robert Klein <rtkwebman at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rtkwebman at gmail.com>>
> >>>> > >> > To: opensim-users at lists.berlios.de 
> <mailto:opensim-users at lists.berlios.de>
> >>>> > >> > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:30:42 AM
> >>>> > >> > Subject: [Opensim-users] Any plans on supporting the 
> display of web
> >>>> > >> > pages?
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> >
> >>>> > >> > I know the realxtend viewer can display web pages on a 
> prim, but what
> >>>> > >> > about
> >>>> > >> > support for this in Hippo? Any chance of this happening in 
> the next 3
> >>>>
> > > -
> >
> >>> > >> 6
> >>>
> >>>> > >> > months?
> >>>>
> >>> > >>
> >>>
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