[Opensim-dev] Still on Sim and Phys Frames per Second (FPS)

[Diva Canto]

I have not been following this, but want to clarify a few things.

All code donated to this project is subject to change, improvements, and 
natural evolution, as features progress.

Usually, things progresses in the directionof generalization, i.e. to 
allow more things to happen. The reason why this may have felt like 
going backwards may be because the original contribution did not 
preserve the generalization principle, i.e. it simply changed the 
reported FPS without giving people the choice to continue to operate in 
the old way. That was bound to have to be fixed as soon as some core 
developer who cares about the lag meter (not me!) bumped into it.

(We like choices in this project. And backwards compatibility. Both are 
ways of making our individual lives harder for the sake of making the 
collective lives easier.)

Sometimes, things progress in the direction of elimination. For example, 
XAssets and mega-regions are currently on the chopping block, because 
they have been subsumed by better alternatives.

The diva distro is exactly opensim plus a few plugins, with existing 
configuration variables set to specific values. So much so, that the 
source of the diva distro project doesn't even include opensim, just the 
plugins:
https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution
All my derivatives of opensim are plugins.

Cheers,
Diva



On 11/12/2015 10:35 AM, dz wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Michael Emory Cerquoni 
> <nebadon2025 at gmail.com <mailto:nebadon2025 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I would also like to remind everyone that MOSES does not run stock
>     OpenSimulator code, they use the back end Simiangrid and are
>     making decisions about core code based on this, I have done
>     extensive testing and even helped try to make the MOSES grid run
>     better, took part in their FCVW Conference, I and the entire build
>     team experienced issues on this grid that I could not recreate on
>     any other grid.  I personally do not want decisions being made
>     that will effect core services by a team of developers who are not
>     even using these services but what do I know according to doug I
>     of all people should not be part of this conversation anymore.
>     This is the last thing I have to say about this, I am done talking
>     about MOSES and their needs.
>
>
>
>
> I sure  hope  all of the non-core developers following this discussion 
> realize..
>
> A.  This has  NOTHING to do with the  MOSES patches  that were 
> rejected ( except for the  attitude from the  core respondents).
> The  crux of this discussion is about a backroom decision to revert a 
> patch  that WAS accepted.   The history of the submission and 
> acceptance of that patch has been documented extensively.
>
> B. The  MOSES development team was NOT the only party pushing this 
> change.   NUMEROUS members of the core team and the developer 
> community who make the effort to participate in this forum 
> overwhelming agreed  that the patch was a step forward.
>
> C. Every request for inclusion into the discussion for  WHY it is more 
> important that obsolete viewer features  that NEVER correctly reported 
> how  the MADE UP 55 FPS figure related to actual performance have been 
> ignored in favor of responding  "  Someone  complained to a member of 
> core".   The   last word  from Melanie on that topic  was  basically " 
> ...maybe  if some of the  (capital B) budget  was  put in our pockets, 
>  things could have  gone differently..." (paraphrased).
>
> D. The  fact that MOSES  uses a modified version of the OpenSim 
> Framework  has  NOTHING to to with the issue.  In case you are 
> wondering...  the  DIVA distribution  relies  on a completely reworked 
> initialization system ...  The Avination merge that is going on now 
>  reflects  almost 3 YEARS of  modifications/deviations  from OpenSim 
> core, and SimianGrid  is the result of  YEARS of performance testing 
> and modification of the group from Intel ( some of  who are now 
>  members of core).
>
> E. The improvements that have resulted from the continuing efforts of 
> the MOSES  team  have  been  practical, and the comments that assert 
> otherwise  are  extremely misleading   While they may not be reflected 
> in  commits  attributable to any of the MOSES developers..  they have 
> included  getting the core team to  upgrade the  documentation related 
>  to the  proper  procedures  to submit patches, ( including a blog 
> post by diva ) and a  COMPLETE re-design of the internal physics 
> engine  interface supporting  future efforts at performance 
>  enhancements.   Shame on YOU neb   for insinuating  NOTHING has come 
> from it.
>
> F. The  continued success of  OpenSim  depends on people who are 
>  willing and able to help being  given  assistance and  guidance  from 
> the existing  community. The mandate for this project is to provide a 
> working framework so everyone  can do what they  want/need.  The 
> licenses were selected to insure that is true..  The  community forums 
>  and open meetings  are designed to insure that continues.   
>  Purporting to support those ideas, and then publicly denigrating 
>  community members  who speak up to protect other members of the 
> community is THE MOST COUNTERPRODUCTIVE behavior  and really 
>  shouldn't be tolerated from anyone  whose mandate is to move the 
> project  forward.  I will publicly admit my respect for the efforts of 
> ALL members of the core team. That  does  NOT excuse  the behavior 
> they have exhibited in the past week.
>
> G. I don't expect to "get my way" by  whining at the  developers.   
>  Over the years  I have put my money AND my time  into making  OpenSim 
> work.  Maybe  Melanie  doesn't remember the  regions on the old IBM 
> grid  that Fashion Research Institute hosted on her servers.  Maybe 
>  she  just forgot  the follow up  consulting gig   to connect our 
> servers  to Science Sim when the IBM grid  died.    I know  I spent a 
> considerable portion of 2 years of our budget supporting  Justins' 
>  efforts  to start a business.   I also devoted  considerable time and 
> effort as a member of the  Intel Science Sim senate to design, build. 
>  and  organize some of the earliest  public  conferences.  Back in 
> those days  Nebadon  was perfectly happy  to be included in a grid 
> that used a  SimianGrid  front end... Please  don't insult me  by 
> acting  like  I am  just another  ignorant  user  who just wants to 
> complain..
>
>
> There is  a LOT of hard work remaining  to make OpenSim a success...  
> WE NEED everyone  included.  We need a core team  that can step up and 
> identify the most important technical tasks to be addressed.  We need 
> them to respect the efforts of the minor contributors and  stop making 
>  arbitrary decisions  on when the community voices  can be  ignored.  
> We  need  more volunteers to do technical and non-technical  work.   
> It is extremely discouraging to see 2 significant members of that core 
> team  arm waving,  spreading misleading information,  and ignoring a 
> vocal part of the community because our goals are not the same as theirs.
>
>
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