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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><tt>I have not been following this, but
want to clarify a few things.<br>
<br>
All code donated to this project is subject to change,
improvements, and natural evolution, as features progress. <br>
<br>
Usually, things progresses in the direction</tt><tt> of
generalization, i.e. to allow more things to happen. The reason
why this may have felt like going backwards may be because the
original contribution did not preserve the generalization
principle, i.e. it simply changed the reported FPS without
giving people the choice to continue to operate in the old way.
That was bound to have to be fixed as soon as some core
developer who cares about the lag meter (not me!) bumped into
it.<br>
<br>
(We like choices in this project. And backwards compatibility.
Both are ways of making our individual lives harder for the sake
of making the collective lives easier.)<br>
<br>
Sometimes, things progress in the direction of elimination. For
example, XAssets and mega-regions are currently on the chopping
block, because they have been subsumed by better alternatives.<br>
<br>
The diva distro is exactly opensim plus a few plugins, with
existing configuration variables set to specific values. So much
so, that the source of the diva distro project doesn't even
include opensim, just the plugins:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution">https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution</a><br>
All my derivatives of opensim are plugins.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Diva<br>
<br>
<br>
</tt><br>
On 11/12/2015 10:35 AM, dz wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:18 AM,
Michael Emory Cerquoni <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div dir="ltr">I would also like to remind everyone that
MOSES does not run stock OpenSimulator code, they use
the back end Simiangrid and are making decisions about
core code based on this, I have done extensive testing
and even helped try to make the MOSES grid run better,
took part in their FCVW Conference, I and the entire
build team experienced issues on this grid that I could
not recreate on any other grid. I personally do not
want decisions being made that will effect core services
by a team of developers who are not even using these
services but what do I know according to doug I of all
people should not be part of this conversation anymore.
This is the last thing I have to say about this, I am
done talking about MOSES and their needs.<br>
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<div>I sure hope all of the non-core developers following
this discussion realize..</div>
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<div>A. This has NOTHING to do with the MOSES patches
that were rejected ( except for the attitude from the
core respondents).</div>
<div>The crux of this discussion is about a backroom
decision to revert a patch that WAS accepted. The
history of the submission and acceptance of that patch has
been documented extensively.</div>
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<div>B. The MOSES development team was NOT the only party
pushing this change. NUMEROUS members of the core team
and the developer community who make the effort to
participate in this forum overwhelming agreed that the
patch was a step forward. </div>
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<div>C. Every request for inclusion into the discussion for
WHY it is more important that obsolete viewer features
that NEVER correctly reported how the MADE UP 55 FPS
figure related to actual performance have been ignored in
favor of responding " Someone complained to a member of
core". The last word from Melanie on that topic was
basically " ...maybe if some of the (capital B) budget
was put in our pockets, things could have gone
differently..." (paraphrased). </div>
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<div>D. The fact that MOSES uses a modified version of the
OpenSim Framework has NOTHING to to with the issue. In
case you are wondering... the DIVA distribution relies
on a completely reworked initialization system ... The
Avination merge that is going on now reflects almost 3
YEARS of modifications/deviations from OpenSim core, and
SimianGrid is the result of YEARS of performance testing
and modification of the group from Intel ( some of who
are now members of core).</div>
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<div>E. The improvements that have resulted from the
continuing efforts of the MOSES team have been
practical, and the comments that assert otherwise are
extremely misleading While they may not be reflected in
commits attributable to any of the MOSES developers..
they have included getting the core team to upgrade the
documentation related to the proper procedures to
submit patches, ( including a blog post by diva ) and a
COMPLETE re-design of the internal physics engine
interface supporting future efforts at performance
enhancements. Shame on YOU neb for insinuating
NOTHING has come from it.</div>
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<div>F. The continued success of OpenSim depends on
people who are willing and able to help being given
assistance and guidance from the existing community.
The mandate for this project is to provide a working
framework so everyone can do what they want/need. The
licenses were selected to insure that is true.. The
community forums and open meetings are designed to
insure that continues. Purporting to support those
ideas, and then publicly denigrating community members
who speak up to protect other members of the community is
THE MOST COUNTERPRODUCTIVE behavior and really shouldn't
be tolerated from anyone whose mandate is to move the
project forward. I will publicly admit my respect for
the efforts of ALL members of the core team. That does
NOT excuse the behavior they have exhibited in the past
week. </div>
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<div>G. I don't expect to "get my way" by whining at the
developers. Over the years I have put my money AND my
time into making OpenSim work. Maybe Melanie doesn't
remember the regions on the old IBM grid that Fashion
Research Institute hosted on her servers. Maybe she
just forgot the follow up consulting gig to connect
our servers to Science Sim when the IBM grid died. I
know I spent a considerable portion of 2 years of our
budget supporting Justins' efforts to start a business.
I also devoted considerable time and effort as a member
of the Intel Science Sim senate to design, build. and
organize some of the earliest public conferences. Back
in those days Nebadon was perfectly happy to be
included in a grid that used a SimianGrid front end...
Please don't insult me by acting like I am just
another ignorant user who just wants to complain..</div>
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<div>There is a LOT of hard work remaining to make OpenSim
a success... WE NEED everyone included. We need a core
team that can step up and identify the most important
technical tasks to be addressed. We need them to respect
the efforts of the minor contributors and stop making
arbitrary decisions on when the community voices can be
ignored. We need more volunteers to do technical and
non-technical work. It is extremely discouraging to see
2 significant members of that core team arm waving,
spreading misleading information, and ignoring a vocal
part of the community because our goals are not the same
as theirs.</div>
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