[Opensim-dev] Harvesting code from forks of Opensim
W Smith
wanderingcodesmith at yahoo.co.uk
Wed May 27 01:33:08 UTC 2015
I have no idea how the idea of importing these AA* functions got into this thread my interest is in implementing LSL.
I was intending implementing some of the 24+ unimplemented LSL ll* functions that OpenSim lacks. I was going to look for "inspiration and assistance" in doing this in the Aurora sim implementations.
None will probably be a direct fit to OpenSim but there will be some degree of copy/paste
Talun
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On Wed, 27/5/15, Morgaine <morgaine.dinova at googlemail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Harvesting code from forks of Opensim
To: opensim-dev at opensimulator.org
Cc: "Morgaine Dinova" <morgaine.dinova at googlemail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2015, 1:28
Fly Man writes:
> and my
-1 was meant to say "Please do not put things that no
one knows about in OpenSim"
+1 for that
-1. :-)
Your point applies to all FOSS code of
course, not just Opensim. Undocumented or minimally
documented code is a liability, not an asset, even if
it's a million lines of alleged
"awesomeness".
The D/C ratio is not a perfect metric,
but when it's near zero then you know that there's a
problem.
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at
1:18 AM, Fly Man <fly.man.opensim at gmail.com>
wrote:
Let me answer most
questions that have been shooting up in my personal mailbox
which have to do with Opensim as a project.
I'll start with
perhaps the most easy part of the discussion: AuroraSim.
AuroraSim is a derivated
from OpenSim, forked on the 14th of October 2010 after Rev
(RevolutionSmythe) decided that Opensim wasn't going
into the way he personally had seen. He decided to fork the
Opensim tree and renamed it to AuroraSim. In the years
following he upgraded parts of the source-code and added a
set of new functional code parts knows as the
aaFunctions.
These
functions are based on the code that he wrote at that moment
for the AuroraSim branch. Remember, this is an OLDER copy of
what the current Opensim branch is now. Most of the
functions in there won't ever work in Opensim mainly
because Opensim does not have these older hooks.
In 2013 Rev was done
with his education and decided to start working which
brought AuroraSim to a slower moving branch and patches
weren't applied instantly anymore. The last patch that
was applied to the sourcecode was Jan 2014 and the project
slowly died.
So,
currently there's no maintainer of any of the code that
was/is in AuroraSim other then what is currently in that
GitHub repository.
Now here comes the part which Kevin
already mentioned: "The fork is called
WhiteCore"
Indeed, WhiteCore is a fork of
AuroraSim after I personally saw what was happening to
AuroraSim. I had been watching the slow pace for a longer
period of time and already had found 2 other people that had
the same "issue". So in December 2013 AuroraSim
was forked and re-based as WhiteCoreSim.
Currently in development with 2
other developers, I am 1 of the 3 lead developers that
actively maintain that "fork" although it's
not even close to what the endgoal for it will be.
1 thing that we
broke "on purpose" when we changed the name is the
aaFunctions because only Rev knows exactly how they are
meant to work. At the moment there's no other person who
knows what exactly the functions are meant to do other then
a better way to have NPC's spawn and some basic
functions that mimic the osFunctions.
Conclusion: There's no developer
at the moment that can look into Rev's head from a
distance and ask him how the functions are meant to work (if
they still work at all) and my -1 was meant to say
"Please do not put things that no one knows about in
OpenSim"
2015-05-27 1:58 GMT+02:00
Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrimble at gmail.com>:
Just to clarify on
the slight chance it was missed, I wasn't suggesting
anyone "fork off" in any sense of the term. Many
forks, both public and private, already exist and I suspect
more will come about. My hope is that the community will
survuve and even thrive beyond any code fork.
On Tue,
May 26, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Morgaine <morgaine.dinova at googlemail.com>
wrote:
Dahlia writes:
>
I'd like to see disagreement and forks as a means to
drive innovation rather than conflict.
More often than not,
real project forking into separate projects (not just
forking in the github sense) implies an inability or lack of
desire to find a meeting of minds with technical peers.
If requirements are
dramatically different then project forking can be a very
reasonable way forward, and to the benefit of everybody.
But if the requirements are really quite similar then
forking is more likely an indication of inflexibility and
intransigence by one or both parties. The communal
engineering process has probably failed.
This is a
technical project, so it's inherently different to
discussing the merits of cat pictures -- discussions can be
objective. A rationally presented suggestion or even a
strong criticism presented in good faith is not a reason for
telling people to fork off. If that is the response then
it's a sign of extreme project ill health.
Negative feedback
is intrinsic to good engineering, and all good engineers
embrace it. That's not theoretical. Without it a
project's direction would never change to take into
consideration the bitter lessons of experience.
Morgaine.
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at
11:35 PM, Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrimble at gmail.com>
wrote:
Apparently there is still a fair bit of passion
about this platform and I prefer to see this in a manner
where people can use the code in a way they see fit and to
(hopefully) contribute back something or pay it forward in
other ways as appropriate. I'm not opposed to forks but
I'd hope civil discourse can be maintained even through
the times when much disagreement looms. I would hope that
various forks and branches could benefit from each other and
the community as a whole can thereby benefit. I'd like
to see disagreement and forks as a means to drive innovation
rather than conflict.
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at
2:14 PM, Morgaine <morgaine.dinova at googlemail.com>
wrote:
Good data, thanks Cinder. It doesn't
look like death to me.
You clearly have some elite query-foo
skills, can you generate a historical list of commits per
month and per year? This is a very strong way of debunking
allegations of death! :P
On Tue, May 26,
2015 at 10:05 PM, Cinder Roxley <cinder at alchemyviewer.org>
wrote:
On May 26, 2015 at 2:59:54
PM, Morgaine (morgaine.dinova at googlemail.com)
wrote: I'm just an observer
on this project, albeit a very long term one, dating back to
near the beginning. One thing that long-term observers are
well qualified to do is to confirm or to deny the veracity
of allegations of long-term trends.
Mike Chase's allegation that
"OpenSim is slowly dieing
(IMO) from neglect"
is clearly unfounded since commits show
no sign of stopping. I haven't checked the rate of
commits so perhaps Mike has more information in this
regard. I welcome better
information.https://www.openhub.net/p/opensimulator/commits/summary--
Cinder
Roxley
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