[Opensim-dev] Harvesting code from forks of Opensim

Tue May 26 20:59:36 UTC 2015

I'm just an observer on this project, albeit a very long term one, dating
back to near the beginning.  One thing that long-term observers are well
qualified to do is to confirm or to deny the veracity of allegations of
long-term trends.

Mike Chase's allegation that

"OpenSim is slowly dieing (IMO) from neglect"

is clearly unfounded since commits show no sign of stopping.  I haven't
checked the rate of commits so perhaps Mike has more information in this
regard.  I welcome better information.

Mike Chase's allegation that

"attempts to improve it seem to generate more argument than progress"

is probably undeniable to anyone who is observing here.  Even those who are
dedicating expensive (.mil) resources to development tend to be given
unwelcoming responses, as we've seen in the last month.

Frank Nichols' question/comment/allegation that

"has there been a single discussion of features in OpenSim in the past year
that hasn’t devolved into insults and argument?"

is not 100% accurate but it does contain a very painful truth.  The general
response to suggestions is unwelcoming, and the general response to
criticism (even when constructive) is knee-jerk rejection or denial that
there is a problem instead of welcoming negative feedback.

Michael Emory Cerquoni's comment that

"This is the development channel to discuss development issues."

is very well stated --- engineering is strongly reliant on appropriate
classification to manage the overwhelming torrent of information, and
without that pigeon-holing we are sunk.  Unfortunately the subsequent
threat of "*or I will have you permanently removed from the list*"
illustrates vividly the extreme level of intolerance to negative feedback.
It is out of proportion to the alleged infraction.

In summary, we are (perhaps unfortunately) human, and that means that there
is always room for improvement.  Denial that there are problems is
*guaranteed* to be ill-founded.

Morgaine.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <
nebadon2025 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the development channel to discuss development issues. Bottom line
> if you want to discuss things that are not related to OpenSimulator
> development then either start your own mailing list or use the user email
> list, saying that this project is dead is spreading misinformation.  Frank
> I am not asking anyone to not discuss development issues, but spreading
> misinformation is not tolerable here, I would think you could at least
> understand that.  If you have something useful to say about development, by
> all means express it no one is going to try to suppress that, and to my
> knowledge no one has to this point.
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Frank Nichols <j.frank.nichols at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, has there been a single discussion of features in OpenSim in the
>> past year that hasn’t devolved into insults and argument? I would think
>> that encouraging differing opinions begin expressed would be encouraged
>> instead of suppressed… sigh.
>>
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> On May 26, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Mike Chase <
>> mike.chase at alternatemetaverse.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I did say it was my opinion.  I'll save you the trouble and remove
>> myself.  As to whether what I said is unfounded people can form their own
>> opinions.  Yours is an opinion as well.  The OpenSim team has taken your
>> fair share of pot-shots at other efforts in the past.  Diva's comments
>> about InWorldz (which I do contribute to) were also "unfounded".  Mostly I
>> think its a shame the project is in the state its in.
>>
>> Best wishes, really.  I care deeply about VW tech and would like to see
>> it land in a good place.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 5/26/15 1:42 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni wrote:
>>
>> Mike your comments are completely unfounded please refrain from that kind
>> of stuff here, it is not helpful and is simply your opinion and not based
>> at all in fact or reality, if you prefer Whitecore that is fine by all
>> means use it, but please do not use this mailing list to spread
>> misinformation or I will have you permanently removed from the list.
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Mike Chase <
>> mike.chase at alternatemetaverse.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Flyman, since you are a commiter on WhiteCore, why not point him there
>>> since its the continuation of the work Rev was doing.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/WhiteCoreSim/WhiteCore-Dev
>>>
>>> Honestly I prefer WhiteCore to vanilla OpenSim anyway.  OpenSim is
>>> slowly dieing (IMO) from neglect anyway.  And attempts to improve it seem
>>> to generate more argument than progress.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/26/15 8:24 AM, Fly Man wrote:
>>>
>>>   Talun, why would you want to use the aaFunction from AuroraSim when
>>> it's no longer being developed ??
>>>
>>>  1) AuroraSim died when the main developer went missing
>>>
>>>  2) Most of the aaFunctions are based on parts that aren't in OpenSim
>>> for obvious reasons.
>>>
>>>  So, I would -1 for including any functions that are specific for a fork
>>> of OpenSim (which was branched of an older version of OpenSim)
>>>
>>> 2015-05-24 0:47 GMT+02:00 W Smith <wanderingcodesmith at yahoo.co.uk>:
>>>
>>>>  Hi all, is it acceptable to take code from forks of  OpenSim?
>>>>
>>>>  My specific desire is to take some of the lsl functions code from
>>>> Aurora-Sim and make them compatible with and work in OpenSim
>>>>
>>>>  Regards Talun.
>>>>
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