[Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED)

Sat Apr 25 11:39:24 UTC 2015

Good design principles reduce complexity while maintaining or increasing functionality.  I am not in support of the idea of introducing multiplier variables into the ini file.  This is for a number of reasons, one being there are a large number of multiplier variables that could be needed and the ini file is already complicated enough.  Adding more variables and code, rather than fixing bad code is not a responsible solution.

This is a gut-check opportunity for the devs.  At some point in the past, somebody made the decision to artificially inflate these numbers and now (years later), that mistake has caught up with us.  The longer you wait, the more painful the correction will be.  It should be corrected, and any monitoring tools updated.  It is the responsible course of action.

We are attempting to help you by addressing physics and networking issues within the Open Simulator.  Step Zero of this process is trusting the simulator statistics.

Douglas Maxwell, MSME
Science and Technology Manager
Virtual World Strategic Applications
U.S. Army Research Lab
Human Research & Engineering Directorate
Simulation & Training Technology Center
(c) (407) 242-0209<tel:%28407%29%20242-0209>
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Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED)

What do you think about making the multiplier a modifiable variable in OpenSim.ini?  This will allow anyone who wants to improve performance and use the stock #'s and in the meantime people can continue to use the code in a meaningful way without having to rewrite scripts and monitoring tools to continue testing other code that may be pushed into core, especially if the end goal is to get statistics to report back at the original numbers?  I am mostly just trying to understand the end goal myself.  If that is not possible I would suggest this work be moved into a development branch until we can get statistics back to the normal numbers again?  Otherwise we are talking about locking the code down to all other development until this process is complete, and no one has discussed any kind of time frame for this level of changes to complete, I would hate to put a complete halt to development in order for this to happen.  I am not against doing what you suggest, I just want to make sure we do it in the most efficient way possible.  Would be good to hear what others in the core development have to say, hopefully Justin and Diva and Melanie, Misterblue, BlueWall, you guys can chime in here as well, as I am only one person here and for the record just voicing my own concerns, I am far from the final say on any of this stuff.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) <douglas.maxwell3.civ at mail.mil<https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
Folks, before we can make any meaningful progress in performance enhancements to the open simulator we have to be able to rely on the simulator statistics.  Currently they are (purposefully) misreported to make the simulator look like it is performing better than it really is.  This is not acceptable if we are to dig in and begin to assist.

Douglas Maxwell, MSME
Science and Technology Manager
Virtual World Strategic Applications
U.S. Army Research Lab
Human Research & Engineering Directorate
Simulation & Training Technology Center
(c) (407) 242-0209

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It is also my opinion that this change isn't fit for core. If and
when additional stats, like "real fps" and "physics engine fps" can
be shown in the viewer, then that would be good but the viewer stats
window should continue to show the fudged figures indefinitely. This
is because people don't only use scripts but also bots to do
monitoring and bots receive the same data the viewer receives.

- Melanie

On 24/04/2015 23:42, Michael Emory Cerquoni wrote:
> ok so just so I understand we should now see this actually just display
> 11fps? Personally I think this is a bad idea, alot of people may be using
> monitoring apps and scripts that look for low fps and restart the region,
> we would basically be forcing everyone to rewrite a lot of code to
> accommodate a singular purpose? Not quite sure how this improves the
> project as a whole.
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <
> nebadon2025 at gmail.com<https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
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>> ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the
>> white space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later
>> though. I hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to
>> really make sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps before
>> this changes the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test this
>> and let us know if you notice anything change or break, thanks!
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) <
>> douglas.maxwell3.civ at mail.mil<https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote:
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>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> What you saw were just warnings about white spaces.  The patch should
>>> still
>>> apply and work.  We follows the open simulator patch creation guidance
>>> explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want this
>>> done -
>>> let us know.  Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings.
>>>
>>> v/r -douglas
>>>
>>> Douglas Maxwell, MSME
>>> Science and Technology Manager
>>> Virtual World Strategic Applications
>>> U.S. Army Research Lab
>>> Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC)
>>> (c) (407) 242-0209
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>>> please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for testing,
>>> thanks
>>> guys!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann <mheilman at ist.ucf.edu<https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>>
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>>>         Opensim Devs
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>>>         Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission from
>>> project
>>> MOSES.  Thanks.
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>>>         Institute for Simulation and Training
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