[Opensim-dev] Some thought about OpenSim Wiki future

Wed Aug 3 18:02:10 UTC 2011

Thank you for telling me, and sorry for duplicate posting.
I remember I have clicked "post" at least ten times, but you only have 5
copies.

Just for reference, can you tell me each header of each copy?

# I suspect I can't post from synonym addresses or another another names
than I have registered...
# One of them should have kanji name on it, if I have succeeded in posting
every times.

2011/8/4 Melanie <melanie at t-data.com>

> Please only post once. You don't get a copy of your own emails and I
> have five copies by now. If you want a copy of your own emails you
> would have to change that setting. Normally your emails are not
> echoed to you.
>
> Melanie
>
> On 03/08/2011 19:43, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) wrote:
> > Sorry if I have posted again and again - I can't still see my post in my
> > mail client... I remember I have clicked "sent" at least ten times before
> I
> > received the mail from dahila.
> >
> >>Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting adding
> > pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which
> > describe OpenSimulator?
> >
> > We are considering "refactoring" of wiki as a whole. Each contents won't
> be
> > changed for now, just  the moving of existing page would be the start
> point.
> > Old page will maybe redirected, if actually move on.
> >
> >
> > 2011/8/4 Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrimble at gmail.com>
> >
> >> Which page(s) are you considering replacing? Or are you suggesting
> adding
> >> pages which define a user, in addition to the existing wiki pages which
> >> describe OpenSimulator?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Makiko Nomura (Makopoppo) <
> >> nomura.makiko at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, nice to meet you all. I'm Makopoppo.
> >>>
> >>> In OpenSimulator Wiki, Fritigern told me his idea about dividing wiki
> into
> >>> user parts and developer parts.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_talk:Makopoppo#An_Idea_Which_Has_Been_On_My_Mind_For_Some_Time
> >>>
> >>> It would be nice to implement it. And more, I'd like to hear your
> thought
> >>> about wiki future as well, especially if you haven't use OpenSimulator
> wiki
> >>> ever or recently. (This is rather my personal activity than as a wiki
> admin
> >>> job)
> >>>
> >>> Here is my idea about what OpenSimulator wiki will be:
> >>>
> >>> * The definition of "User"
> >>>
> >>> OpenSimulator software, as itself, is a framework for 3D virtual
> >>> environment. It can be included into enterprise systems; i.e. some
> might
> >>> want to bundle it into their web servers, groupwares, or such. Some
> wants to
> >>> create their own kins for their use. Some wants to simply use this
> >>> distribution out-of-the-box. Some doesn't want to own their sims, just
> wants
> >>> to connect to them from their viewers. All of them are "Users". They
> will be
> >>> categorized into three types:
> >>>
> >>> Client Users: Who connects to (or logins to) OpenSimulator-based grids
> >>> with their viewer, websites, or some other possible methods. They don't
> need
> >>> any computer-specific knowledges, they can be teenagers, or even
> infants.
> >>> Documentation for them might be out of focus of OpenSimulator project,
> it is
> >>> rather client vendor's area, but having minimal instruction and links
> to
> >>> their document for further information is not so bad idea.
> >>>
> >>> Grid Users: Who connects their OpenSimulator-based regions to
> >>> OpenSimulator-based grids, or just using it standalone. They needs
> minimal
> >>> knowledge of operation systems, databases, or some other related
> softwares
> >>> such as web servers to run their own simulators. Since there are
> already
> >>> many resources for them, and especially for personal use, kins projects
> >>> doing great job to make clear documents, maintain them and providing
> support
> >>> for years. We can encourage or help them to improve their documents,
> such
> >>> as, providing link list to their pages, or bollowing their article with
> huge
> >>> credits.
> >>>
> >>> Framework Users: Who enhances OpenSimulator software for their use. The
> >>> purpose varies amongst each other, from personal use to enterprise use.
> For
> >>> example, the person who implements *Module, script functions,
> connectors or
> >>> such. To say in another word, who using OpenSimulator as a framework. I
> >>> personally think that one of the role of our OpenSimulator core project
> is
> >>> provider of the best documentation for them. And I know currently we
> don't
> >>> have enough documents for them, or if exists, it hasn't been
> maintenanced
> >>> for years.
> >>>
> >>> So, who will be the "Developers"? It will be the contributors who
> >>> contributes OpenSimulator framework itself. They should know OpenSim
> >>> internal architectures, implementing guidelines, or licensing matters.
> Some
> >>> experts can understand them only by reading codes (yikes!), but it
> would be
> >>> nice to have such documents, if we can keep updating them forever.
> >>>
> >>> * Possible Wiki Structure
> >>>
> >>> Considering these points above, we can divide the wiki into three
> domains:
> >>>
> >>> http://opensimulator.org/ <-- for "Client Users" and "Grid Users"
> >>> http://framework.opensimulator.org/ <-- for "Framework Users"
> >>> http://dev.opensimulator.org/ <-- for the contributors of
> OpenSimulator
> >>> core project (coders, document writers, issue managers, wiki admins)
> >>>
> >>> Although MediaWiki can create namespaces and we can use it for this
> >>> purpose, I feel sub-domaining provides more straight-forward way to
> access
> >>> to them (this is probably because I am an address bar lover). Again,
> this is
> >>> just my idea.
> >>>
> >>> * Should we create anything on our own?
> >>>
> >>> I personally think we don't need to "reinvent the wheel" to create all
> >>> OpenSimulator documentation from the scratch, there are already nice
> >>> documents all around the web. Why not make great use of them? I don't
> mean
> >>> we can copyright violations and bring them all. Instead, it would be
> nice to
> >>> have links to their project websites with simple descriptions about
> their
> >>> project goal or feature on our wiki pages. Or, using their documents
> with
> >>> big credit would be nice too(Cons is duplicated documentation will be
> more
> >>> difficult to maintenance).
> >>>
> >>> I wonder why kin projects (i.e. OSGrids, Inworlds, AuroraSim, …) are
> not
> >>> feathered as kin developers. They are the good OpenSimulator framework
> users
> >>> and the good OpenSimulator "User" documents provider. And communities.
> I
> >>> know there are many other OpenSimulator-forums and many experts grandly
> help
> >>> so-called "noobs". We can encourage and help them to support others in
> their
> >>> community, such as, again, adding link to their forums. Blogs too. I
> came
> >>> here looking at a post in ilibsl blog. I had a parcel in Ener Sounds(
> >>> http://iliveisl.com/makos-home/ is me), and after leaving there, I
> found
> >>> OpenSimulator in another post and tried to use it (to reproduce the
> terrain
> >>> of Ener Sounds in vain lol). That was the start. OpenSimulator
> developers
> >>> including me tends to detailed describe about the architectures, but
> for
> >>> users, the documents created by the users will be helpful. It might be
> not
> >>> the best way, since the users have to access each blogs and forums to
> find
> >>> the answer for their question, but if OpenSimulator core wiki has nice
> >>> directory to find them easily, it can be ideal. (I feel someone might
> have
> >>> suggested the same before, but I can't remember who)
> >>>
> >>> It shouldn't keep contributors from writing such documents in
> >>> OpenSimulator Wiki. Our purpose are varies, so it should be always open
> for
> >>> those who wants to contribute the articles. But if we can create the
> scheme
> >>> of "Mash-up" the OpenSimulator-related documentations, OpenSimulator
> >>> community (includes kin projects, blogs, forums or such) will accurate
> >>> toward mature community as a whole.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for reading. *Steps down from soapbox*
> >>> Again, comments will be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> ------
> >>>
> >>> Makopoppo (Makiko Nomura)
> >>>
> >>>
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