[Opensim-dev] missing LSL functions, events

Tue Nov 30 15:39:20 UTC 2010

LOL - excessive multitasking has to take cycles from somewhere. For me, my 
"common sense" processor starts to hiccup.

So, you're words are very encouraging. I looked into mini Region Modules (MRMs) 
- very, very exciting! The MRM framework seems like it will be the perfect 
solution once it's matured. (Linden Lab should have gone this way from the 
get-go.) Region Modules (RMs), while powerful, aren't "user scripts;" I'm 
definitely seeking an in-object scripting solution.

So just to recap, the two ways of accessing the core of OpenSim is via RMs and 
MRMs, correct? (Again - my primary reason for wanting such lower-level access is 
to compensate for the missing LSL functionality as implemented within 
OpenSim/Xengine. A nice boon would be having the ability to overcome the 
inherent limitations of LSL as implemented by Linden Lab.) I'm assuming that 
starting an in-object script with "//c#" does *not* make it an MRM; the C# 
examples on the OpenSim web site illustrate a more "simplistic" syntax whereas 
the examples on Adam's MRM web site are more rigidly structured, OO C#. So until 
the MRM framework is ready for consumption by the masses, where can I find out 
what's (not) available to in-object "//c#" scripts?

Thanks!
- Liam

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Man,
Talk about butchering the language! Sorry about my less than optimal phraseology 
- too much multitasking I reckon ;)
Cheers!

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:08 AM, James Stallings II <james.stallings at gmail.com> 
wrote:

Hi Liam! and welcome :)
>
>
>First things first - that page you reference is more than a bit out of date. 
>That said, there's still quite a bit of LSL that isn't entirely functional. Most 
>things work, or work in part. Such things that don't work or aren't implemented 
>are in many instances complimented by OpenSim additions to LSL, aka the 
>osFunctions() of which there are very nearly as many as there are canonical LSL 
>functions.
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>A direct answer concerning your questions with respect to the scripting API:
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>Yes, you *can* access simulator internals using C# - this is done in one of two 
>ways, either by the employment of a 'generic' simulator module known as MRM 
>(Mini Region Modules) which are essentially prim-hosted C# programs. This module 
>is standard issue with stock opensim, though it too has a few missing features - 
>sandboxing to allow semi-anonymous users to script prims in C# for instance. For 
>the most part, I suspect that such limitations will not provide you with 
>significant constraints in your application area.
>
>
>Speaking of region modules, MRM gives us an excellent opportunity to seguey into 
>canonical region modules - essentially simulator plugins, these can be employed 
>in extending the functionality of a simulator in directions limited only by the 
>imagination and coding skills.
>
>
>I hope I have provided adequate answers to your questions - and if you have 
>further questions, please feel free to contact me either on this list or at 
>simhost at deepthinklabs.com.
>
>
>Good luck and cheers!
>
>
>James
>aka Hiro Protagonist
>SimHost.com
>
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>On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:56 AM, w f <wm_fry at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>I see (as listed on the http://opensimulator.org/wiki/LSL_Status page) that LSL 
>events attach, changed, http_response, moving_end, moving_start, and remote_data 
>are either not implemented or only partially implemented. Additionally, it's 
>noted that there are a few LSL functions unimplemented. I was wondering ... if 
>one was (happily) willing to abandon LSL , could the underlying events and 
>functions be accessed via C#?
>>
>>I'm trying to understand the pieces here ...
>>Does Xengine provide OpenSim with only LSL functionality or does it enable all 
>>scripting (LSL, C#, VB.Net, JScript.Net, Yield Prolog)? Does C# (or any of the 
>>other languages save LSL) have a special "in" to OpenSim for which LSL is just 
>>an  abstraction layer?
>>
>>Consider this: I would think OpenSim generates some kind movement related event 
>>or events. Not unlike separate key-down/key-up events being tracked and then 
>>molded into a third event - key-press - I would assume something similar is 
>>happening within OpenSim, that these internal happenings eventually bubble up 
>>into a single LSL moving_start event. Does C# (or other supported language) have 
>>such deep access to OpenSim thereby allowing me to craft my own "moving start" 
>>event (handler)?
>>
>>I would switch from Second Life to OpenSim/OSGrid immediately if I knew there 
>>was some way to fully replicate Second Life script functionality. (Emphasis on 
>>functionality; it does *not* have to be copy/paste of LSL.) I don't care if I 
>>have to rewrite everything in C# (or, shudder, VB.Net). Six years in Second Life 
>>- and now supporting a higher-ed institution's use - has left me with *quite a 
>>lot* of scripted objects. Before I migrate  everything, I'd like to know it's 
>>possible.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>- Liam
>>
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