[Opensim-dev] User services refactoring status

[Cristina Videira Lopes]

As it stands right now, SQLite is not usable or testable:
http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4437

I don't think it's reasonable to expect that one or two developers do  
the maintenance on *all* alternative implementations of things.  Hence  
this request for help. Nothing has been merged to master yet, so this  
is, effectively, /before/. I know the MSSQL connector will be covered.  
I don't know about the SQLite connector. If no one steps up to the  
job, what it means is that no one cares enough to allocate their own  
time to maintain it.

We cannot stop evolving / improving OpenSim entirely because of lack  
of interest on one of three alternative DB connectors... NHibernate  
was removed, because no one cared for it enough to maintain it. The  
same will happen to SQLite if no one steps up.

As for estimate -- that's what it is, an estimate, not a definitive  
date.  We have a process here. If you give a -1 to the merge on the  
grounds that SQLite support has not been secured, then the merge will  
not happen. Simple :)


On Jan 4, 2010, at 12:57 PM, Teravus Ovares wrote:

> The merge will happen whether or not sqlite is updated, right?
> There seems to be an estimated date for it.      How can there be an
> estimated date for the merge unless there is someone secured to work
> on sqlite..  unless you intend to go on with it anyway?
>
> Teravus
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:
>> That doesn't apply to work in branches. Diva IS looking for support
>> for SQLite here _before_ the merge, right?
>>
>> Melanie
>>
>> Teravus Ovares wrote:
>>> I have a lot of the newest .NET implementations that use sqlite :)
>>>
>>> I thought we agreed to make the necessary changes to all of the
>>> current supported database adapters or /secure support/ on doing  
>>> that
>>> /before/ we make the changes *not after* that outdate one of them.
>>> Apparently you don't subscribe to this.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Teravus
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:
>>>> Heck, I don't even have a single box left with Mono old enough to
>>>> run SQlite.
>>>>
>>>> Melanie
>>>>
>>>> Cristina Videira Lopes wrote:
>>>>> This is not a keep it / kill it discussion. The SQLite connector  
>>>>> is
>>>>> there. This is about someone stepping up to do the required
>>>>> improvement work. Neither Mel nor I nor Justin will do it. If no  
>>>>> one
>>>>> does it, that connector will be outdated and unusable -- that's  
>>>>> the
>>>>> definition of 'dead code'. Dead code will be removed. This  
>>>>> happened to
>>>>> the NHibernate connector already the last time we changed the DB  
>>>>> schema.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if someone cares for OpenSim+SQLite, now is the time to put  
>>>>> your
>>>>> love into code to the benefit of all. If no one cares, it will  
>>>>> die.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a developer of other things, but a user of OpenSim, I would  
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> 'keep sqlite'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep the barriers to entry as low as possible.  If someone  
>>>>>> wants to
>>>>>> try out
>>>>>> OpenSim, make it easy for them.  Put your end-user hat on for a
>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Robert Martin
>>>>>> <robertltux at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just adding my thoughts given that XAMP is very easy to setup  
>>>>>> (heck it
>>>>>> would be simple to just have a pre-setup XAMP module as an add-on
>>>>>> download) sqlite is not really needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> side question i have a diva install where the DB crashed midway  
>>>>>> during
>>>>>> the first  migration stage do i need to dump the tables and start
>>>>>> over??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Robert L Martin
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Daniel Smith - Sonoma County, California
>>>>>> http://daniel.org/resume
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