[Opensim-dev] Global identifiers

Mon Aug 30 02:07:22 UTC 2010

I'm a member of OpenSim core and I've been participating in AWGroupies
meetings in SL for the better part of a couple years now. however I haven't
posted to the VWRAP list since it was OGPX.

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson at hp.com> wrote:

> That's great to hear.  And the first I've heard of it.  I'm on the VWRAP
> mailing list and yes, John has made some very substantive contributions
> to the discussion.  I haven't seen anything from OpenSim core during any
> part of the discussion to date.  I'm a pretty smart guy but not
> omnipotent.  I've simply interpreted the lack of participation  as lack
> of interest and past comments would tend to support that (I can dig them
> out if you like).  And there is no "general feeling" in VWRAP as to your
> proposal since its never been presented or discussed there.
>
> I'm not interested in a war, just open dialog and a sincere interest in
> interoperability.  I'll be glad to read the proposal when its made.  In
> the meantime I'd appreciate you not attribute negative motives to
> anything I've said. I've been simply trying to make technical arguments
> against an approach I think is wrong headed and not though out.  I've
> seen discussion here pretty much get cut off when a core member
> "dictates" the solution. Melanie seems to have made up her mind.  Fine.
> Go build it. Best of luck to you.  In the meantime I'll look forward to
> the Hypergrid proposal to VWRAP and reserve my comments for that time.
>
> BTW, I've found the VWRAP discussions to be pretty open and devoid of
> politics.  People will assert politics over almost anything of course
> but the dialog has been mostly open and good natured (and quiet lately).
> It will be good to have you at the table.  Given OpenSim gets a fair bit
> of attention it would have been nice if you'd been there all along.
>
> Mike
>
> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 00:00 +0000, diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > That's an interesting statement to make, considering that John Hurliman
> > and I are working on writing up the *working* Hypergrid 1.5 as a
> > proposal to VWRAP, since we have both concluded that the concepts being
> > talked there lately, without any implementation behind them, are
> > essentially indistinguishable from the working HG 1.5 that lots of
> > people are already using.
> >
> > It seems that you are trying really hard to make this look like a war
> > between OpenSimulator and VWRAP. I don't think that's the general
> > feeling in VWRAP, I think it's just you. The proposal to VWRAP will
> > happen. Hopefully, most people there will be able to assess the
> > technical issues, independent of the political ones. (emphasis on
> > *hopefully*)
> >
> > Diva / Crista
> >
> > Mike Dickson wrote:
> > > Fine, then do what you like.  The code's all available.  If I don't
> like
> > > it I can change it.  Of course that sort of shoots holes in
> > > interoperability. But then I didn't feel that hyper-grid belonged in
> > > core either for the same reason.
> > >
> > > I think you've way over trivialized the whole set of interactions
> > > between agent, asset and simulator services in situations where those
> > > services are defined by different principals.  As Meadbh said, this
> > > feels like optimizing to solve a specific problem before you've really
> > > looked at the larger issues. It might be instructive just to simply
> walk
> > > through some use cases and see where things fall apart.  Alot of that
> > > discussion has already taken place on the VWRAP list but OpenSim core
> > > seems to be dead set against involvement in that.
> > >
> > > I don't see a way to contribute here beyond the opinion I've already
> > > voiced so I'll drop this.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 22:56 +0000, Melanie wrote:
> > >> Sorry, i disagree. The information included is defined by the
> > >> REQUIRED data on the recipient, not on what data the sender wants to
> > >> provide. the recipient NEEDS a displayable field. It can't be
> optional.
> > >>
> > >> Melanie
> > >>
> > >> Mike Dickson wrote:
> > >>> If the decision is to go ahead and do cache-able data then I'd agree,
> do
> > >>> it as attribute NVP's and make them optional. The originating agennt
> > >>> service is then free to define the semantics of the attributes it
> > >>> exposes.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mike
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 21:42 +0000, Ai Austin wrote:
> > >>>>> From: diva at metaverseink.com
> > >>>>> protocol://authority/resource_type/resource_id[/cacheable_data]
> > >>>> +1
> > >>>>
> > >>>> consider ensuring that at least the name is provided in a form that
> > >>>> can be resolved fast and locally by including the avatar
> > >>>> firstname+lastname - in whatever form the providing grid wishes to
> > >>>> address issues raised by others - so long as the strings are "legal"
> > >>>> in the creator/owner fields.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> would it be worth making sure that the "cachable data" is in the
> form
> > >>>> of keyword=value pairs, and hence put in a "parameter" form after ?
> > >>>> rather than a final /?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> protocol://authority/resource_type/resource_id[?key_value_pair[,...]]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> with a minimum suggested (or
> > >>>> required?)  avatarname=firstname+lastname if the resource_type =
> user
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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