[Opensim-dev] Welcome, Avatar!

Brianna wwwench at gmail.com
Mon Aug 23 17:54:33 UTC 2010 

As a community, SL sailors have the project clearly defined. I did not poll 
them.
The reason is education to that group by individuals like James Stallings.. 
he includes presentation graphics and an open QA .
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From: <diva at metaverseink.com>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:02 AM
To: <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Welcome, Avatar!

> Yep. We know that.
> Even people on this list who ask "really simple questions" seem to be 
> utterly confused.
>
> I blame this situation on us, as a community. We have been uber-sloppy on 
> conveying what the OpenSimulator project is. We have an uphill battle on 
> people's perception, because most people who hear about OpenSim hear it in 
> the context of Second Life, which is a *service* provided by a company. So 
> immediately their perception is "OpenSim is a grid like Second Life" and 
> "OpenSim project is a competitor of Linden Lab" sort of like another Blue 
> Mars thingy but with the added advantage of using the SL viewer.
>
> Worse, people who decide to install and run an OpenSimulator world, and 
> subscribe to this and the -users list, often don't realize what they are 
> doing. They think that somehow they are like what estate managers are in 
> Second Life, but with more power, and therefore they look at the 
> OpenSimulator project as the engineering arm of an integrated effort.
>
> Unless we are relentless in fighting this perception, and in making 
> OpenSimulator-world operators take *ownership* of what they're doing, 
> we're never going to get the message right. And the fight starts with us, 
> with what each one of us in this small community near the development 
> kernel is conveying to our end-users and to the people we talk to. Small 
> details like the graphic elements of our public presence, the welcome 
> message, etc. that's what establishes or blurs the relationship between 
> each of us and the OpenSimulator project.
>
> Brianna wrote:
>> To give all a morning smile..
>> an impromptu poll I just did in SL
>>
>> Hi, to you what is OpenSim, a definition?
>> [9:15]  Sommer Shepherd: A different grid
>> [9:16]  Dizsa Zuta: an ubber grid based on openlife software, osgrid and 
>> 3rdrock are members
>> [9:17]  Tasha Kostolany: well -- I think of -- Free and open for 
>> development (or nearly free, or a lot more free than sl will ever be)
>> [9:20]  Georgia Roberson: its one of those silly lil sims that LL sell 
>> ain't it
>>
>> Scary perceptions with some :)
>>
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>> From: <diva at metaverseink.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:04 AM
>> To: <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Welcome, Avatar!
>>
>>> The license that Adam gave to his SVG image has a couple of exemptions 
>>> that are quite appropriate. Attribution is only required if the image is 
>>> used outside the context of the OpenSimulator project; within the 
>>> context of the project, attribution is not required. That's the license 
>>> I gave to mine too. I suggest everyone uses those exemptions.
>>>
>>> Justin Clark-Casey wrote:
>>>> On 23/08/10 16:54, diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>>> For those who wish to contribute more of these images, here are some
>>>>> guidelines:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Unless your intent is to provide raw material for others to modify
>>>>> (like the SVG image, for example) do not make the ready-to-use logos
>>>>> big. The "Powered by OpenSimulator" logos should be DISCRETE. The one 
>>>>> I
>>>>> made is 114x27, that should give an idea for what *I* mean by 
>>>>> discrete.
>>>>> But don't take it from me. Have a look at "Powered by Apache" logos 
>>>>> out
>>>>> there; that should give you an idea of what common sense suggests for
>>>>> these kinds of logos.
>>>>>
>>>>> - You need to include a license for the image(s) you upload and link
>>>>> from that page. Images without licenses will b removed from that page.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Diva.  Could we require that this license be Creative Commons Zero?
>>>>
>>>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
>>>>
>>>> The other creative commons licenses require attribution to the original 
>>>> author.  I don't think that this is appropriate for 
>>>> community-contributed opensim logos.  Of course, there's nothing to 
>>>> stop people attributing if they want to do that, just that they're not 
>>>> forced to do it by the license terms.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Crista
>>>>>
>>>>> diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I created a page for OpenSimulator graphics:
>>>>>> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Graphics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you create variations of this art, and wish to make it publicly
>>>>>> available for others to use, please add it there in a similar manner
>>>>>> to the ones already there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Crista
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeroen van Veen wrote:
>>>>>>> Do you have the same icon with an opaque background as well?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeroen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday 21 August 2010 17:15:39 Rich White wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here is a chicklet icon perhaps to get the ball rolling:
>>>>>>>> http://twitpic.com/2gue0y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, <diva at metaverseink.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> P.S. For people who want to give credit to the project, the
>>>>>>>>> "correct" way
>>>>>>>>> of expressing it is
>>>>>>>>> "Powered by OpenSim".
>>>>>>>>> At some point it would be nice to have a logo with those words in 
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/images?q=powered+by+apache&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=5eVvTPSNMYK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2sAPu2cCXAg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCIQsAQwAA&
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> biw=1306&bih=933
>>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> %3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1306&bih=933&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=powered+by+CentO
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> S&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> -1 on this.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm generally reluctant in using the term "OpenSim" for anything
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> than the name of this project. It's bad enough that bloggers and 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> public keep confusing the project with its uses, let's not give 
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> more suggestions in that direction. OpenSim is the infrastructure
>>>>>>>>>> project, not its uses. The users of OpenSim are the world 
>>>>>>>>>> operators,
>>>>>>>>>> not the people who login to these worlds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In other words, when people login to an OpenSim-based world they
>>>>>>>>>> are not
>>>>>>>>>> "logging in to OpenSim"; they are logging in to a world that 
>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>> runs based on OpenSim. This may seem like an insignificant
>>>>>>>>>> distinction,
>>>>>>>>>> but it's not, it's huge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So let's leave it with the generic message that is has now. The
>>>>>>>>>> config
>>>>>>>>>> var is there for people to customize it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ai Austin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In a recent commit by Justin he suggested that if a change was
>>>>>>>>>>> made to
>>>>>>>>>>> the default viewer welcome message, it would be useful to get 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts of others first. I do appreciate that most folks will 
>>>>>>>>>>> alter
>>>>>>>>>>> the string anyway, but it is useful out of the box to have 
>>>>>>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>>>>>> messages. And I had suggested a change to help differentiate
>>>>>>>>>>> things a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit in an immediately visible form at the user end, and to brand 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> system in the default. Can I suggest this change and see what 
>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>> think?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Opensim.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim"
>>>>>>>>>>> Robust.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim Grid"
>>>>>>>>>>> Robust.HG.ini.example "Welcome to OpenSim Hypergrid"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This would have the nice effect of differentiating which
>>>>>>>>>>> [Architecture]
>>>>>>>>>>> is being used immediately.
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