[Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core
Stefan Andersson
lbsa71 at hotmail.com
Wed Sep 16 15:01:21 UTC 2009
+1 and some cheers to go.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of diva at metaverseink.com
> Sent: den 16 september 2009 16:23
> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core
>
> I'll wait another couple of days, and if there are no objections by the
> end of the week, Grid.AssetServer and Grid.InventoryServer will be
> deleted from the main distribution.
>
> I'll take a look at the documentation, to delete outdated instructions.
> But that wiki is a jungle, so I'm pretty sure I won't find all the
> pages
> that need updates.
>
> David W Levine wrote:
> >
> >
> > opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de wrote on 09/15/2009 03:23:36 PM:
> >
> > > Justin Clark-Casey <jjustincc at googlemail.com>
> > > Sent by: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> > >
> > > 09/15/2009 03:23 PM
> > >
> > > Please respond to
> > > opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > >
> > > To
> > >
> > > opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > >
> > > cc
> > >
> > > Subject
> > >
> > > Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core
> > >
> > > +1, that sounds good to me, multiple servers are confusing.
> > >
> > > What would be really really helpful is if we could make sure that
> the
> > wiki
> > > documentation reflects this when it happens. Nothing major, just
> > clearly
> > > deprecate all the old stuff and provide
> > > just sufficient instructions for people to elaborate on later if
> > required. I
> > > know there is some documentation but even technically proficient
> > > people seem to
> > > have problems in this area.
> >
> > +1 on this the current tangle of old/new and stubbed stuff basically
> > requires people to re-ask the same questions on IRC and e-mail
> > weekly.
> >
> > >
> > > Or perhaps that confusion would clear up one the old servers are
> > > eliminated and
> > > the old doc becomes clearly out of date.
> > >
> > >
> > > diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Now that summer vacation is over and everyone seems to be back,
> it's
> > > > time to revisit this thread. It's been one month, and no one has
> > stepped
> > > > up to bringing the old Grid.InventoryServer up to date with the
> new
> > > > requirements. The simulators can still talk to old server, but
> really
> > > > poorly, after failures; and they don't take advantage of the new
> > > > streamlined interactions that avoid downloading the entire
> inventory
> > > > into the simulators.
> > > >
> > > > In this past month, OSGrid has switched the inventory service to
> > ROBUST,
> > > > and lots of other grids have followed. The newly released IAR
> tool has
> > > > been developed nicely for the new interface too.
> > > >
> > > > So -- I propose we drop the old Asset and Inventory servers now,
> so
> > that
> > > > we stop supporting old code. Any objections?
> > > >
> > > > Again, the door is always open for someone to step up and
> maintain
> > those
> > > > servers as alternatives -- even write/maintain connectors for
> them,
> > and
> > > > write/maintain corresponding pre-packaged configurations that
> use
> > them.
> > > > But without that kind of commitment, we're bound to make things
> very
> > > > confusing by having multiple reference implementations of the
> same
> > > > things, some of which are not evolving, and only one pre-
> packaged
> > > > configuration that assumes the new interfaces.
> > > >
> > > > Crista
> > > >
> > > > diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
> > > >> Ping me when you tune in to the IRC, if you still have
> questions
> > after
> > > >> reading this. The additions are really easy. Look in
> > > >>
> OpenSim/Server/Handlers/Inventory/InventoryServerInConnector.cs,
> > in my
> > > >> local repo (the one currently in head is outdated)
> > > >> http://github.com/diva/Diva-s-OpenSim-Tests/blob/
> > > 21b5ebdc1f59ee449f56e40d8cbb9f3f5b3de644/OpenSim/Server/Handlers/
> > > Inventory/InventoryServerInConnector.cs
> > > >>
> > > >> The 2 service handlers that you need to add and implement are
> these:
> > > >>
> > > >> m_httpServer.AddStreamHandler(
> > > >> new RestDeserialiseSecureHandler<Guid,
> > List<InventoryFolderBase>>(
> > > >> "POST", "/SystemFolders/", GetSystemFolders,
> CheckAuthSession));
> > > >>
> > > >> m_httpServer.AddStreamHandler(
> > > >> new RestDeserialiseSecureHandler<Guid,
> InventoryCollection>(
> > > >> "POST", "/GetFolderContent/", GetFolderContent,
> > CheckAuthSession));
> > > >>
> > > >> You can copy and paste the implementations I have there.
> > > >> Let me know when you're done, so that I can push my local mods.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> MW wrote:
> > > >>> If you can provide the details of those two handlers that need
> > adding to
> > > >>> the old servers, I can have a go at implementing them;
> dependent
> > on how
> > > >>> much work it involves.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --- On *Thu, 13/8/09, diva at metaverseink.com
> > /<diva at metaverseink.com>/*
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> From: diva at metaverseink.com <diva at metaverseink.com>
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in
> core
> > > >>> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> Date: Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 5:01 PM
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm fine with waiting until September before pruning
> reference
> > > >>> implementations down to one of each. But someone needs to
> > give love to
> > > >>> Grid.Inventory, because I don't have time for loving so
> many
> > > servers :-)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The current improvement I'm doing right now (eliminating
> the
> > need to
> > > >>> pass the entire inventory around) only works for the new-
> style
> > > >>> inventory
> > > >>> service. It can easily be made to work for the old one.
> > Whoever wants
> > > >>> Grid.Inventory to support the simulators' [much more
> > reasonable] needs
> > > >>> should make the necessary improvements to it.. I'll be
> > happyto explain
> > > >>> what the server needs to do -- 2 additional service
> handlers.
> > I still
> > > >>> haven't pushed my local commits, and I can wait a little
> bit
> > for a
> > > >>> Grid.InventoryServer lover to step up and volunteer. But I
> > don't think
> > > >>> it's reasonable to hold this improvement until September;
> I
> > already
> > > >>> have
> > > >>> it, and it's almost ready to be pushed out to grids out
> > there. Passing
> > > >>> thousands of inventory items upon region crossings and TPs
> is
> > probably
> > > >>> one of the worst things in OpenSim right now, and needs
> fixing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> MW wrote:
> > > >>> > I'm fine with the AssetInventoryServer being removed as
> > soon as
> > > >>> possible
> > > >>> > because I don't think anyone uses it.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > But believe we should at least wait a couple of more
> weeks
> > before
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> > Grid.InventoryServer
> > > >>> > and Grid.AssetServer are removed, so that everyone gets
> a
> > chance
> > > >>> to have
> > > >>> > their say/vote. As a number of people are on vacation
> > around this
> > > >>> time..
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Personally as long as the ROBUST servers are fully
> tested on
> > > >>> multiple
> > > >>> > grids that have a quite heavy load/userbase, then I'm
> okay
> > with
> > > >>> removing
> > > >>> > the old servers, as long as there is total agreement; I
> > know a few
> > > >>> > people have said they don't want to swap to ROBUST.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > --- On *Tue, 11/8/09, Frisby, Adam
> /<adam at deepthink.com.au
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=adam at deepthink.com.au>>/* wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > From: Frisby, Adam <adam at deepthink.com.au
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=adam at deepthink.com.au>>
> > > >>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference
> servers
> > in core
> > > >>> > To: "opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>"
> > > >>> <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>>
> > > >>> > Date: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 10:09 PM
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Please do. I'd like a 0.6.X release shortly after
> every
> > > >>> > networkinterface version change if possible - since
> it
> > makes
> > > >>> compat
> > > >>> > with the latest stable release always a headache.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Adam
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> > > From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de>
> > > >>> > </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-
> bounces at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de>>
> > > >>> > [mailto:opensim-dev-
> > > >>> > > bounces at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=bounces at lists.berlios.de>
> > > >>> > </mc/compose?to=bounces at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=bounces at lists.berlios.de>>] On Behalf Of
> Justin
> > > >>> > Clark-Casey
> > > >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:04 PM
> > > >>> > > To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
> > > >>> > </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>>
> > > >>> > > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference
> > servers in core
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > diva at metaverseink.com
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=diva at metaverseink.com>
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=diva at metaverseink.com
> > > >>> </mc/compose?to=diva at metaverseink.com>> wrote:
> > > >>> > > > Dear devs,
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > I'm finally changing the way the simulator
> > > caches inventory.
> > > >>> > This is
> > > >>> > > all
> > > >>> > > > good, and it's the beginning of the much
> awaited user
> > > >>> services
> > > >>> > > > refactoring. This requires a few small changes
> in the
> > > >>> inventory
> > > >>> > > services
> > > >>> > > > interface, as well as additions to the
> > > >>> implementation(s). So...
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > We now have 3 -- yes 3! -- different inventory
> > servers
> > > >>> in core.
> > > >>> > (and
> > > >>> > > 3
> > > >>> > > > asset servers too). I think it's time to make
> a
> > decision
> > > >>> on what to
> > > >>> > > keep
> > > >>> > > > and what to drop, because evolving this
> ecosystem of
> > > >>> > implementations
> > > >>> > > in
> > > >>> > > > core is unscalable.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > With this, I'm proposing that we drop the old
> > > >>> Grid.InventoryServer,
> > > >>> > > the
> > > >>> > > > old Grid.AssetServer and the
> AssetInventoryServer
> > (CB1).
> > > >>> Some
> > > >>> > people
> > > >>> > > may
> > > >>> > > > still be using the old servers, so it's time
> to
> > switch
> > > >>> everybody to
> > > >>> > > > ROBUST. Asking in the IRC, it looks like no
> one
> > is using
> > > >>> > > > AssetInventoryServer.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > Comments? Objections?
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > Might be an idea to knock out a 0.6.7 first
> before
> > > making that
> > > >>> > switch.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > --
> > > >>> > > justincc
> > > >>> > > Justin Clark-Casey
> > > >>> > > http://justincc.wordpress.com
> > <http://justincc.wordpress.com/>
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