[Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core
David W Levine
dwl at us.ibm.com
Tue Sep 15 20:50:43 UTC 2009
opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de wrote on 09/15/2009 03:23:36 PM:
> Justin Clark-Casey <jjustincc at googlemail.com>
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> +1, that sounds good to me, multiple servers are confusing.
>
> What would be really really helpful is if we could make sure that the
wiki
> documentation reflects this when it happens. Nothing major, just
clearly
> deprecate all the old stuff and provide
> just sufficient instructions for people to elaborate on later if
required. I
> know there is some documentation but even technically proficient
> people seem to
> have problems in this area.
+1 on this the current tangle of old/new and stubbed stuff basically
requires people to re-ask the same questions on IRC and e-mail
weekly.
>
> Or perhaps that confusion would clear up one the old servers are
> eliminated and
> the old doc becomes clearly out of date.
>
>
> diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Now that summer vacation is over and everyone seems to be back, it's
> > time to revisit this thread. It's been one month, and no one has
stepped
> > up to bringing the old Grid.InventoryServer up to date with the new
> > requirements. The simulators can still talk to old server, but really
> > poorly, after failures; and they don't take advantage of the new
> > streamlined interactions that avoid downloading the entire inventory
> > into the simulators.
> >
> > In this past month, OSGrid has switched the inventory service to
ROBUST,
> > and lots of other grids have followed. The newly released IAR tool has
> > been developed nicely for the new interface too.
> >
> > So -- I propose we drop the old Asset and Inventory servers now, so
that
> > we stop supporting old code. Any objections?
> >
> > Again, the door is always open for someone to step up and maintain
those
> > servers as alternatives -- even write/maintain connectors for them,
and
> > write/maintain corresponding pre-packaged configurations that use
them.
> > But without that kind of commitment, we're bound to make things very
> > confusing by having multiple reference implementations of the same
> > things, some of which are not evolving, and only one pre-packaged
> > configuration that assumes the new interfaces.
> >
> > Crista
> >
> > diva at metaverseink.com wrote:
> >> Ping me when you tune in to the IRC, if you still have questions
after
> >> reading this. The additions are really easy. Look in
> >> OpenSim/Server/Handlers/Inventory/InventoryServerInConnector.cs, in
my
> >> local repo (the one currently in head is outdated)
> >> http://github.com/diva/Diva-s-OpenSim-Tests/blob/
> 21b5ebdc1f59ee449f56e40d8cbb9f3f5b3de644/OpenSim/Server/Handlers/
> Inventory/InventoryServerInConnector.cs
> >>
> >> The 2 service handlers that you need to add and implement are these:
> >>
> >> m_httpServer.AddStreamHandler(
> >> new RestDeserialiseSecureHandler<Guid,
List<InventoryFolderBase>>(
> >> "POST", "/SystemFolders/", GetSystemFolders, CheckAuthSession));
> >>
> >> m_httpServer.AddStreamHandler(
> >> new RestDeserialiseSecureHandler<Guid, InventoryCollection>(
> >> "POST", "/GetFolderContent/", GetFolderContent,
CheckAuthSession));
> >>
> >> You can copy and paste the implementations I have there.
> >> Let me know when you're done, so that I can push my local mods.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> MW wrote:
> >>> If you can provide the details of those two handlers that need
adding to
> >>> the old servers, I can have a go at implementing them; dependent on
how
> >>> much work it involves.
> >>>
> >>> --- On *Thu, 13/8/09, diva at metaverseink.com
/<diva at metaverseink.com>/*
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: diva at metaverseink.com <diva at metaverseink.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in core
> >>> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> >>> Date: Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 5:01 PM
> >>>
> >>> I'm fine with waiting until September before pruning reference
> >>> implementations down to one of each. But someone needs to give
love to
> >>> Grid.Inventory, because I don't have time for loving so many
> servers :-)
> >>>
> >>> The current improvement I'm doing right now (eliminating the
need to
> >>> pass the entire inventory around) only works for the new-style
> >>> inventory
> >>> service. It can easily be made to work for the old one. Whoever
wants
> >>> Grid.Inventory to support the simulators' [much more reasonable]
needs
> >>> should make the necessary improvements to it.. I'll be happyto
explain
> >>> what the server needs to do -- 2 additional service handlers. I
still
> >>> haven't pushed my local commits, and I can wait a little bit for
a
> >>> Grid.InventoryServer lover to step up and volunteer. But I don't
think
> >>> it's reasonable to hold this improvement until September; I
already
> >>> have
> >>> it, and it's almost ready to be pushed out to grids out there.
Passing
> >>> thousands of inventory items upon region crossings and TPs is
probably
> >>> one of the worst things in OpenSim right now, and needs fixing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> MW wrote:
> >>> > I'm fine with the AssetInventoryServer being removed as soon
as
> >>> possible
> >>> > because I don't think anyone uses it.
> >>> >
> >>> > But believe we should at least wait a couple of more weeks
before
> >>> the
> >>> > Grid.InventoryServer
> >>> > and Grid.AssetServer are removed, so that everyone gets a
chance
> >>> to have
> >>> > their say/vote. As a number of people are on vacation around
this
> >>> time..
> >>> >
> >>> > Personally as long as the ROBUST servers are fully tested on
> >>> multiple
> >>> > grids that have a quite heavy load/userbase, then I'm okay
with
> >>> removing
> >>> > the old servers, as long as there is total agreement; I know
a few
> >>> > people have said they don't want to swap to ROBUST.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --- On *Tue, 11/8/09, Frisby, Adam /<adam at deepthink.com.au
> >>> </mc/compose?to=adam at deepthink.com.au>>/* wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > From: Frisby, Adam <adam at deepthink.com.au
> >>> </mc/compose?to=adam at deepthink.com.au>>
> >>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers in
core
> >>> > To: "opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>"
> >>> <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>>
> >>> > Date: Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 10:09 PM
> >>> >
> >>> > Please do. I'd like a 0.6.X release shortly after every
> >>> > networkinterface version change if possible - since it
makes
> >>> compat
> >>> > with the latest stable release always a headache.
> >>> >
> >>> > Adam
> >>> >
> >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de>
> >>> > </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de>>
> >>> > [mailto:opensim-dev-
> >>> > > bounces at lists.berlios.de
> >>> </mc/compose?to=bounces at lists.berlios.de>
> >>> > </mc/compose?to=bounces at lists.berlios.de
> >>> </mc/compose?to=bounces at lists.berlios.de>>] On Behalf Of Justin
> >>> > Clark-Casey
> >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 12:04 PM
> >>> > > To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
> >>> > </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> >>> </mc/compose?to=opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>>
> >>> > > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] pruning reference servers
in core
> >>> > >
> >>> > > diva at metaverseink.com
> >>> </mc/compose?to=diva at metaverseink.com>
> >>> </mc/compose?to=diva at metaverseink.com
> >>> </mc/compose?to=diva at metaverseink.com>> wrote:
> >>> > > > Dear devs,
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I'm finally changing the way the simulator
> caches inventory.
> >>> > This is
> >>> > > all
> >>> > > > good, and it's the beginning of the much awaited
user
> >>> services
> >>> > > > refactoring. This requires a few small changes in
the
> >>> inventory
> >>> > > services
> >>> > > > interface, as well as additions to the
> >>> implementation(s). So...
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > We now have 3 -- yes 3! -- different inventory
servers
> >>> in core.
> >>> > (and
> >>> > > 3
> >>> > > > asset servers too). I think it's time to make a
decision
> >>> on what to
> >>> > > keep
> >>> > > > and what to drop, because evolving this ecosystem of
> >>> > implementations
> >>> > > in
> >>> > > > core is unscalable.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > With this, I'm proposing that we drop the old
> >>> Grid.InventoryServer,
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > > old Grid.AssetServer and the AssetInventoryServer
(CB1).
> >>> Some
> >>> > people
> >>> > > may
> >>> > > > still be using the old servers, so it's time to
switch
> >>> everybody to
> >>> > > > ROBUST. Asking in the IRC, it looks like no one is
using
> >>> > > > AssetInventoryServer.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Comments? Objections?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Might be an idea to knock out a 0.6.7 first before
> making that
> >>> > switch.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > --
> >>> > > justincc
> >>> > > Justin Clark-Casey
> >>> > > http://justincc.wordpress.com
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