[Opensim-dev] Opensim-dev Digest, Vol 21, Issue 72

Ralf Haifisch ralf at ralf-haifisch.biz
Sun May 31 16:04:48 UTC 2009 

I guess, most user could live with moving those clear feature request out
from mantis to the new feature voting tool.

..as a suggestion..


Cheers,
Ralf

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Is the message "Please wait 5 minutes"	still	needed?
      (Stefan Andersson)
   2. 0.7 Release Discussion (Stefan Andersson)
   3. Re: 0.7 Release Discussion (Nebadon Izumi)
   4. Re: 0.7 Release Discussion (Stefan Andersson)
   5. Re: 0.7 Release Discussion (Nebadon Izumi)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 13:01:39 +0200
From: Stefan Andersson <stefan at tribalmedia.se>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Is the message "Please wait 5 minutes"
	still	needed?
To: "opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de" <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
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How about configurable, with 0 being immediately?

Best regards,
Stefan Andersson



 


Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:52:19 +0200
From: drscofield at xyzzyxyzzy.net
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Is the message "Please wait 5 minutes" still
needed?

Frisby, Adam wrote: 
Make it standard.

+1
  +1, since the potential other session is kicked anyhow already...

Adam

  
-----Original Message-----
From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Arthur Valadares
Sent: Friday, 29 May 2009 2:59 PM
To: OpenSim-Dev
Subject: [Opensim-dev] Is the message "Please wait 5 minutes" still
needed?

Hi everyone,

I wanted to consult you all about this matter, even though I have
already committed some related code. I will gladly change it if we
decide to do things differently.

Once upon a time, there seemed to be a necessity that you had to wait 5
minutes if you crashed and tried to log back in. Those were the days
before my time, tales that the elder tells us by the fireside. After
these days, when I started messing around with OpenSim, there was a bug
that would kick you after a few minutes if you tried to log back on
without waiting. This was also fixed (thanks Crista!), which leads me
to
my question. Why are we still getting this message?

Well, the only purpose I can think of is it warns you that you either
crashed last time or that someone is using your account. Either way,
something went wrong and the user might want to know that.

So the code I committed puts an option in standalone that allows you to
skip this message and just let OpenSim kick the old user and connect
the
new one, kind of like what happens in messengers if you logon from a
different location. This is very useful when you have softwares that
encapsulate the login process and doesn't want to leave the user
looking
at the viewer's login page with a failed message.

So, should this become standard and just skip and kick, or should we
leave it up to configuration? Opinions please..


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:20:45 +0200
From: Stefan Andersson <stefan at tribalmedia.se>
Subject: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion
To: "opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de" <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
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I do believe we're all feeling the advent of 0.7 - a milestone in any open
source project.

 

Here's a crazy idea for you; how about we agree to freeze feature set and
major architecture as of now, and concentrate on only:

 

* Finalizing the backend restructuring

* Clear mantis (hell, let's CLEAR mantis! how's that for ambitious?)

* Write unit tests

 

until the cows come home, and tag the cow homecoming rev as 0.7? Or, say,
1st of aug happens, and we'll tag 0.6.7 then instead. ;)


I believe this kind of solidified 0.7 would give us all a breather, help us
recoup, and then we can all go back to fiddling with our various dev
projects again.

 

What you say?


Best regards,
Stefan Andersson



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:24:51 -0700
From: Nebadon Izumi <nebadon2025 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
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Have you even looked at mantis??? there are 728 open tickets, chances are if
we clear mantis, we will have OpenSimulator 1.0.. I personally don't see
this as feasible, this is to me looks like us trying to control what all the
developers are doing, and I have to -1 this idea as it would probably make
most devs just stop working.

Neb

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Stefan Andersson
<stefan at tribalmedia.se>wrote:

>
> I do believe we're all feeling the advent of 0.7 - a milestone in any open
> source project.
>
> Here's a crazy idea for you; how about we agree to freeze feature set and
> major architecture as of now, and concentrate on only:
>
> * Finalizing the backend restructuring
> * Clear mantis (hell, let's CLEAR mantis! how's that for ambitious?)
> * Write unit tests
>
> until the cows come home, and tag the cow homecoming rev as 0.7? Or, say,
> 1st of aug happens, and we'll tag 0.6.7 then instead. ;)
>
> I believe this kind of solidified 0.7 would give us all a breather, help
us
> recoup, and then we can all go back to fiddling with our various dev
> projects again.
>
> What you say?
>
> Best regards,
> Stefan Andersson
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:29:26 +0200
From: Stefan Andersson <stefan at tribalmedia.se>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion
To: "opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de" <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
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Wise from experience, I would never propose anything as preposterous as to
tell any core dev to do anything.

 

But if a substantial part of core devs and the patching community think it's
a good idea and can be swayed to rally for it, I think we can see some
really extraordinary measures that would make us all look pretty god damn
good.


And hell, I stated it would be ambitious. Aim for the stars, hit the
treetops, you know.
 
Best regards,
Stefan Andersson



 


Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:24:51 -0700
From: nebadon2025 at gmail.com
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion

Have you even looked at mantis??? there are 728 open tickets, chances are if
we clear mantis, we will have OpenSimulator 1.0.. I personally don't see
this as feasible, this is to me looks like us trying to control what all the
developers are doing, and I have to -1 this idea as it would probably make
most devs just stop working.

Neb


On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Stefan Andersson <stefan at tribalmedia.se>
wrote:



I do believe we're all feeling the advent of 0.7 - a milestone in any open
source project.
 
Here's a crazy idea for you; how about we agree to freeze feature set and
major architecture as of now, and concentrate on only:
 
* Finalizing the backend restructuring
* Clear mantis (hell, let's CLEAR mantis! how's that for ambitious?)
* Write unit tests
 
until the cows come home, and tag the cow homecoming rev as 0.7? Or, say,
1st of aug happens, and we'll tag 0.6.7 then instead. ;)

I believe this kind of solidified 0.7 would give us all a breather, help us
recoup, and then we can all go back to fiddling with our various dev
projects again.
 
What you say?

Best regards,
Stefan Andersson




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:34:36 -0700
From: Nebadon Izumi <nebadon2025 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
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I can agree with that, if everyone else agrees i have no problem with it, I
would just hate for anyone to think that we are locking things up and they
wont have our support.  And mostly i was more concerned with trying to clear
mantis, that seams a bit unrealistic, as a good portion of fixing the mantis
probably rely on us instituting many feature requests.  It kind of goes
against the whole premise of freezing up feature requests.

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Stefan Andersson
<stefan at tribalmedia.se>wrote:

>  Wise from experience, I would never propose anything as preposterous as
to
> tell any core dev to do anything.
>
> But if a substantial part of core devs and the patching community think
> it's a good idea and can be swayed to rally for it, I think we can see
some
> really extraordinary measures that would make us all look pretty god damn
> good.
>
> And hell, I stated it would be ambitious. Aim for the stars, hit the
> treetops, you know.
>
> Best regards,
> Stefan Andersson
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:24:51 -0700
> From: nebadon2025 at gmail.com
> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] 0.7 Release Discussion
>
>
> Have you even looked at mantis??? there are 728 open tickets, chances are
> if we clear mantis, we will have OpenSimulator 1.0.. I personally don't
see
> this as feasible, this is to me looks like us trying to control what all
the
> developers are doing, and I have to -1 this idea as it would probably make
> most devs just stop working.
>
> Neb
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Stefan Andersson
<stefan at tribalmedia.se>wrote:
>
>
> I do believe we're all feeling the advent of 0.7 - a milestone in any open
> source project.
>
> Here's a crazy idea for you; how about we agree to freeze feature set and
> major architecture as of now, and concentrate on only:
>
> * Finalizing the backend restructuring
> * Clear mantis (hell, let's CLEAR mantis! how's that for ambitious?)
> * Write unit tests
>
> until the cows come home, and tag the cow homecoming rev as 0.7? Or, say,
> 1st of aug happens, and we'll tag 0.6.7 then instead. ;)
>
> I believe this kind of solidified 0.7 would give us all a breather, help
us
> recoup, and then we can all go back to fiddling with our various dev
> projects again.
>
> What you say?
>
> Best regards,
> Stefan Andersson
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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