[Opensim-dev] Ruth vs Gas Clouds: Bug or feature?

Thu May 14 23:24:56 UTC 2009

should be just Client.Appearance.SetPreviousAppearance(true);

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Paul Fishwick <fishwick at cise.ufl.edu>wrote:

> Do you know of any sample code that does this? I wrote this up a whileago,
> but it doesn't contain those baking functions:
>
> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Building_a_bot
>
> -p
>
> On May 14, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Dahlia Trimble wrote:
>
> There is a baking method in libomv, but it is not as feature-complete as
> the one in the LL viewer and may fail if incompatible layers exist, or not
> all layers are available such as skin/tatoo layers or texture based eyes.
> Hence, many bot programs will not use the baking code but rather rely on
> viewers for compositing. These are the bots that appear as clouds in the
> 1.23 viewer; other bots which can successfully use the libomv baking method
> appear as normal avatars.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Paul Fishwick <fishwick at cise.ufl.edu>wrote:
>
>> perhaps the bot code (libomv) can be changed to send bakedlayers to the
>> server (LL or OpenSim)  ? I think the libomv folks
>>  may be looking into this. Short of that, I'll be sticking forever with
>> 1.22 (as far as I know, the regular LL viewers do not time out like
>> the RCs).
>> -p
>>
>> On May 14, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Melanie wrote:
>>
>> I believe I can explain this.
>>
>> JCool, the creator of the Emerald Viewer, has been able to shed some
>> light on this, since his viewer has been using a similar feature
>> from the start.
>>
>> Bots largely depend on viewer compositing, this means they send the
>> individual clothing layers, but no baked ones, and the viewing
>> user's viewer composites them into a viewable avatar.
>>
>> Starting from 1.23, LL viewer no longer send, or expect, compositing
>> layers. Avatars no longer carry texture information about their
>> individual clothing items. This is to combat theft, avatars now
>> carry only the 3 baked textures. Therefore, Copybot can no longer
>> rip clothing from an avatar it sees.
>>
>> Because of this, the "Cloud" stage is perceived to be longer on 1.23
>> users, as they don't render until the bakes have been pushed to the
>> server and then downloaded by the other clients. An avatar counts as
>> unloaded if it's visual params are the default ones OR it has no
>> baked textures. Previously, it would count as unloaded only if it
>> had no textures at all, or all default visual params.
>>
>> Since bots don't bake, they will never render for users of the 1.23,
>> since it neither creates not expects compositing layers.
>>
>> Conversely, users of the Emerald Viewer, which features clothing
>> protection, appear as light grey avatars until the baked textures
>> are pushed to the server.
>>
>> Melanie
>> Arthur Valadares wrote:
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>>
>> True, many issues are coming with the 1.23, but what really scares me is
>>
>> that this issue is happening on 1.22 and Hippo 0.5.1. So it would be
>>
>> nice we could fix 1.22 issues before cracking heads on the 1.23 ones
>>
>> (and they are coming from what I've heard, that's for sure)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 16:47 -0400, Paul Fishwick wrote:
>>
>> This has been reported on JIRA at Linden Labs, and seems to occur, at
>>
>> least for me, only with the new Release Candidate (RC) 1.23. Version
>>
>> 1.22
>>
>> does not exhibit the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> With RC Version 1.23 and an LL server, all bots are rendered
>>
>> as clouds. I noticed this first with Kristen's S17 viewer which is
>>
>> built
>>
>> on 1.23, but the regular RC has the same problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> With RC Version 1.23 and an OpenSim server, all avatars (including
>>
>> bots) are rendered as clouds.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, this is indeed a major issue with the upcoming LL client. For
>>
>> reference
>>
>> see:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13386
>>
>>
>>
>> There are many related issues, including the clothing one you mention.
>>
>>
>>
>> -p
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 14, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Arthur Valadares wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone..
>>
>>
>> I've been looking into a "bug" where if you get a brand new avatar
>>
>> and
>>
>> create pants, shirt, shape and skin and wear all of them, you turn
>>
>> into
>>
>> a gas cloud. After lot's of research, it seems this is "kind of"
>>
>> expected behavior. Let me try to explain what I think is happening.
>>
>>
>> After SL Viewer 1.20, Ruth no longer existed. If you took off all
>>
>> wearables, you would now become a cloud of gas. Apparently, the
>>
>> viewer
>>
>> thinks that if you use all those 4 wearables without changing
>>
>> anything,
>>
>> you have become Ruth, and so you should now be a cloud of gas. If
>>
>> you
>>
>> make the 4 wearables, but change ANY parameter, you no longer become
>>
>> a
>>
>> cloud of gas . The thing is on OpenSim you start as Ruth, and not as
>>
>> a
>>
>> cloud of gas! Which is kind of confusing that the viewer thinks you
>>
>> become Ruth when you're actually trying not to.
>>
>>
>> So I wanted to gather some ideas on how to circumvent this, if my
>>
>> assumptions are correct, or get corrected otherwise. I can only
>>
>> think of
>>
>> creating default clothing, like Second Life does.
>>
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Arthur Valadares <arthursv at linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>
>>
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