[Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

Frisby, Adam adam at deepthink.com.au
Mon Jun 1 04:30:19 UTC 2009 

Fly-Man-,

When you bring out the big guns, and you aren't on solid ground - people tend to look down at you - when you start a conversation out in confrontation, then confrontation you will get.

Regarding, 'revoking' the license, you simply cannot do that legally (go check with a lawyer) - once you have placed code under one of the OSI licenses, there is simply no way to 'undo' that action down the road. If it were possible to undo an OSI license, then people would be setting up code, then charging people for it retroactively years later. It also means that a project cannot be killed by one angry developer.

Likewise, you cannot change the license on an existing piece of code - you can release new versions, or co-release the old code under a new license (if you are the complete copyright owner and have no outside contributions), however the old license is still considered working and valid.

Re: the forge itself - I am very, very loathe to remove any code or projects from the forge without an exceptionally good reason. A spat with other developers because they did something while you were gone, is not a good reason.

Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Fly Man
> Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 7:54 PM
> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge
> 
> Well, I can keep repeating myself but I won't ...
> 
> If the 2 people that started this "meaningless discussion" just take
> up the glove and stop throwing dirt, then I have no problem with
> ending this discussion and reclaiming the projects and work on them
> like I did before.
> 
> But as I have read for the past 6 hours, people tend to agree on one
> thing: "There can only be losers in this discussion"
> 
> And maybe I need to explain why I am still argueing about this :
> 
> When I develop things ( for the business that i make money with for a
> living since 5 months) and someone  "forgot" to communicate with me
> and started this useless discussion, that those people know that they
> did something they shouldn't do a second time.
> 
> We are all here to make OpenSim something to be proud of.
> 
> And I enjoy working on the new technology just like every other
> developer.
> 
> But when I need to call out the big guns just to get my point set,
> that disappoints me.
> 
> 2009/6/1 Charles Krinke <cfk at pacbell.net>:
> >
> > Dear Fly-Man:
> >
> > I would like to suggest we step back from a "point of honor" and try
> to
> > figure out how to work together.
> >
> > There are times in this project when passions rise high and this is
> one of
> > those times. I would really like to find a way to move forward
> without
> > pushing anyone into a corner.
> >
> > Your enthusiasm, work ethic and code has been good for the grid
> deployments
> > and all I can say is that I am sorry that you and others have gotten
> to the
> > place where the need exists to make the statements said today.
> >
> > So, please, please, lets figure out how to just work together.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Fly Man <fly.man.opensim at gmail.com>
> > To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:53:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge
> >
> > Kyle, please read back what I posted earlier before you start to
> throw
> > with words that I won't respond to:
> >
> > * There's 2 people that just need to apoligize and then we can all
> get
> > back to what we're good in.
> >
> > Unless those people step up and take responsibilty about their
> > actions, then it means that on the 2nd of June
> > I need to consult with a lawyer about the further steps that need to
> be
> > taken
> >
> > 2009/6/1 Kyle Hamilton <aerowolf at gmail.com>:
> >> How about you check out the subversion tree at the last revision
> >> without the "whole mess that it is now"?  That's what revision
> control
> >> systems are for, so you can check out old revisions.  You can
> control
> >> your own experience -- while everyone else can cooperate as they
> want
> >> to.
> >>
> >> You should do this instead of bitching on the mailing list and
> >> essentially saying "IT'S MY BALL AND I'M GOING HOME".
> >>
> >> You're thus making a huge deal out of, literally, nothing.  Which
> >> means you're a drama whore at best, and a troll at worst.
> >>
> >> Get a grip.  I will also point out that the main OpenSim project
> trunk
> >> isn't clean, and that branches are made to maintain specific
> >> milestones, and so your objection to "as long as the main trunk is
> >> clean" isn't even in line with what the community has (loosely)
> >> standardized on.  Yes, this might fly in the face of other projects'
> >> conventions, but this is what we have to deal with and have to live
> >> with as a part of working with OpenSim.
> >>
> >> -Kyle H
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Fly Man <fly.man.opensim at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Ideia, this problem can easily be resolved by 2 people that just
> say
> >>> sorry and revert back the things that they added to the
> OpenSimWiredux
> >>> so I can take a clean copy of the code without the whole mess that
> it
> >>> is now.
> >>>
> >>> So, in other words as some won't know what I said on #opensim-dev:
> >>>
> >>> Jamenai: Please send me an email, explaining why you added things
> to
> >>> the Wiredux, stating that you didn't contact me before adding this
> and
> >>> that you will revert the source back to the rev that I added. It's
> >>> okay with me to make a new branch where you fiddle with all your
> stuff
> >>> as long as the main trunk is clean
> >>>
> >>> Nebadon: Please send me an email, telling me that you were wrong to
> >>> think that I left the scene just because of the Money Debacle. And
> >>> that you did know about me being in a small holiday until the 1st
> of
> >>> June as mentioned in several announcements that I did on all the
> IRC
> >>> channels.
> >>>
> >>> When those 2 people have made their excuses, I will no longer have
> a
> >>> need to ask for deletion of the projects and will be a happy camper
> >>> once again.
> >>>
> >>> It's not in my natural nature to be like this, but for some people
> >>> this might sound like nagging.
> >>>
> >>> No, it's not nagging, it's getting right what is wrong at this
> moment.
> >>>
> >>> 2009/6/1 Ideia Boa <ideiaboa at gmail.com>:
> >>>> Fly-Man
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not know who is right in your disagreement, but I think if
> you had
> >>>> something you were thinking that was not being done in the most
> correct,
> >>>> I
> >>>> think the only way would have launched the discussion on mail-list
> >>>> #opensim-dev and not just you away from everything and remove the
> work
> >>>> you
> >>>> did, the work of all is very important and only a small opinion
> can make
> >>>> a
> >>>> difference.
> >>>>
> >>>> See that I am not defending anyone, I'm only making an observation
> of
> >>>> what I
> >>>> read in a mail-list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ideia Boa
> >>>> www.worldsimterra.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Fly Man wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Addition to the previous message:
> >>>>
> >>>> This means that all the source needs to be deleted as stated under
> >>>> BSD.license and will not be re-uploaded to the Gforge or any other
> >>>> Gforge or
> >>>> SVN like system.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
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