[Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge

[Fly Man]

Well, I can keep repeating myself but I won't ...

If the 2 people that started this "meaningless discussion" just take
up the glove and stop throwing dirt, then I have no problem with
ending this discussion and reclaiming the projects and work on them
like I did before.

But as I have read for the past 6 hours, people tend to agree on one
thing: "There can only be losers in this discussion"

And maybe I need to explain why I am still argueing about this :

When I develop things ( for the business that i make money with for a
living since 5 months) and someone  "forgot" to communicate with me
and started this useless discussion, that those people know that they
did something they shouldn't do a second time.

We are all here to make OpenSim something to be proud of.

And I enjoy working on the new technology just like every other developer.

But when I need to call out the big guns just to get my point set,
that disappoints me.

2009/6/1 Charles Krinke <cfk at pacbell.net>:
>
> Dear Fly-Man:
>
> I would like to suggest we step back from a "point of honor" and try to
> figure out how to work together.
>
> There are times in this project when passions rise high and this is one of
> those times. I would really like to find a way to move forward without
> pushing anyone into a corner.
>
> Your enthusiasm, work ethic and code has been good for the grid deployments
> and all I can say is that I am sorry that you and others have gotten to the
> place where the need exists to make the statements said today.
>
> So, please, please, lets figure out how to just work together.
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Fly Man <fly.man.opensim at gmail.com>
> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:53:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Removal of project on GForge
>
> Kyle, please read back what I posted earlier before you start to throw
> with words that I won't respond to:
>
> * There's 2 people that just need to apoligize and then we can all get
> back to what we're good in.
>
> Unless those people step up and take responsibilty about their
> actions, then it means that on the 2nd of June
> I need to consult with a lawyer about the further steps that need to be
> taken
>
> 2009/6/1 Kyle Hamilton <aerowolf at gmail.com>:
>> How about you check out the subversion tree at the last revision
>> without the "whole mess that it is now"?  That's what revision control
>> systems are for, so you can check out old revisions.  You can control
>> your own experience -- while everyone else can cooperate as they want
>> to.
>>
>> You should do this instead of bitching on the mailing list and
>> essentially saying "IT'S MY BALL AND I'M GOING HOME".
>>
>> You're thus making a huge deal out of, literally, nothing.  Which
>> means you're a drama whore at best, and a troll at worst.
>>
>> Get a grip.  I will also point out that the main OpenSim project trunk
>> isn't clean, and that branches are made to maintain specific
>> milestones, and so your objection to "as long as the main trunk is
>> clean" isn't even in line with what the community has (loosely)
>> standardized on.  Yes, this might fly in the face of other projects'
>> conventions, but this is what we have to deal with and have to live
>> with as a part of working with OpenSim.
>>
>> -Kyle H
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Fly Man <fly.man.opensim at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Ideia, this problem can easily be resolved by 2 people that just say
>>> sorry and revert back the things that they added to the OpenSimWiredux
>>> so I can take a clean copy of the code without the whole mess that it
>>> is now.
>>>
>>> So, in other words as some won't know what I said on #opensim-dev:
>>>
>>> Jamenai: Please send me an email, explaining why you added things to
>>> the Wiredux, stating that you didn't contact me before adding this and
>>> that you will revert the source back to the rev that I added. It's
>>> okay with me to make a new branch where you fiddle with all your stuff
>>> as long as the main trunk is clean
>>>
>>> Nebadon: Please send me an email, telling me that you were wrong to
>>> think that I left the scene just because of the Money Debacle. And
>>> that you did know about me being in a small holiday until the 1st of
>>> June as mentioned in several announcements that I did on all the IRC
>>> channels.
>>>
>>> When those 2 people have made their excuses, I will no longer have a
>>> need to ask for deletion of the projects and will be a happy camper
>>> once again.
>>>
>>> It's not in my natural nature to be like this, but for some people
>>> this might sound like nagging.
>>>
>>> No, it's not nagging, it's getting right what is wrong at this moment.
>>>
>>> 2009/6/1 Ideia Boa <ideiaboa at gmail.com>:
>>>> Fly-Man
>>>>
>>>> I do not know who is right in your disagreement, but I think if you had
>>>> something you were thinking that was not being done in the most correct,
>>>> I
>>>> think the only way would have launched the discussion on mail-list
>>>> #opensim-dev and not just you away from everything and remove the work
>>>> you
>>>> did, the work of all is very important and only a small opinion can make
>>>> a
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>>> See that I am not defending anyone, I'm only making an observation of
>>>> what I
>>>> read in a mail-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ideia Boa
>>>> www.worldsimterra.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fly Man wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Addition to the previous message:
>>>>
>>>> This means that all the source needs to be deleted as stated under
>>>> BSD.license and will not be re-uploaded to the Gforge or any other
>>>> Gforge or
>>>> SVN like system.
>>>>
>>>>
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