[Opensim-dev] Minimum OpenSim mono version now 2.4? (wasRe:[Opensim-commits] r10113 - trunk)
Brianna
wwwench at gmail.com
Tue Aug 4 12:39:06 UTC 2009
Not to provoke religious wars..
I completely agree with your Win experience on LAMP.
However, with OpenSim the performance, stability and tolerance gap is large .
On a fashion CAD project I am using 2008 R2/VS2010/.Net 4 and the ‘way behind’ gap to Linux/Mono is equivalent to a hardware generation.
IMHO Linux/mono dependency could well be the Achilles' heel on OpenSim progress.
Love Penguins too.
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From: Impalah
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Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Minimum OpenSim mono version now 2.4? (wasRe:[Opensim-commits] r10113 - trunk)
Maybe for standalone and hypergrid, but Windows/.NET is not an option for me when my servers have to be published to the whole world.
Call me paranoid but I don't trust in Windows for any kind of server. The experience (or maybe torture) in my everyday job with Windows servers is that they are intrinsically unsecure and have poor performance (unless you have a bunch of € to spend in hardware).
My fear is "well, I update my servers now, no problem, everything is all right", and 2 months later someone of the core team decided that "a new thing from mono 3.4 is needed" and again I have to "run forward" with the mono versions of my servers. 2 months later, the same, and again, and again...
I know that is alpha, open source, collaborative and with an "as-is" license, but, seriously, it doesn't mean chaos. I am really frustrated, overall when I read a message in the list with something like "update to version XXX".
But this is only my "user" and "utilities developer" point of view. I rarely develop for opensim core, but I use opensim for developing applications...
Greetings
2009/8/4 Brianna <wwwench at gmail.com>
For stability in the attic ... I have a hosted standalone OpenSim with .Net Framework that has been rock solid for 208 days, that choice is available.
----- Original Message -----
From: Impalah
To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Minimum OpenSim mono version now 2.4? (was Re:[Opensim-commits] r10113 - trunk)
Please allow me to be cynic but... For using/developing for/testing trunk Opensim versions I am forced to tweak my stable and well patched Linux and to include an unstable mono version which I have no guarantee about everything will work (maybe with 2.4, maybe with 2.5, maybe with future 2.9)...
Too much unstability in the basement, even for an "alpha code" project, I think.
When will be available a stable version for testing the new things (beyond 0.6.*)? Actually I have "fear of the trunk" and I am limited to old 0.6 versions for developing utilities... quite frustrating.
Greetings
2009/8/4 Nebadon Izumi <nebadon2025 at gmail.com>
Ive written these instructions for compiling mono from SVN and the Daily tarball for mono 2.5 if it helps anyone..
Daily Tarbal : http://www.osgrid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1334
Trunk SVN : http://www.osgrid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=539
while opensim runs well on mono 2.4 it runs a lot better on 2.5 trunk.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Ideia Boa <ideiaboa at gmail.com> wrote:
I've these instructions for building mono 2.4 from sources on Ubuntu, very helpful: http://blog.ruski.co.za/page/Install-Mono-on-Ubuntu.aspx
Ideia Boa
WorldSimTerra
orion hax wrote:
The repos only have 2.0.1 for ubuntu but it will compile 2.4 just fine from tar and SVN.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Christophe, Jean-Charles Narbonne <christophe31 at gmail.com> wrote:
Also there are repositorys with mono for ubuntu or opensuse, (I use Opensuse for my server but on my desktop I tryed upgrade mono from jauty repos, there was no other dependences than mono and it worked well for desktop apps...)
Reguards
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Teravus Ovares <teravus at gmail.com> wrote:
Whoops, scratch that.. opensim-libs, not opensim-dev :)
-Teravus
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Teravus Ovares<teravus at gmail.com> wrote:
> The HttpServer makes use of 2.4 specific things. It's in
> OpenSim-dev, if you can compile it with less requirements, by all
> means.
>
> Regards
>
> Teravus
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Justin
> Clark-Casey<jjustincc at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Teravus. I take it this means that mono 2.0.1 is no longer usable with trunk? This is somewhat inconvenient since
>> Ubuntu and OpenSUSE still ship mono 2.0.1 in their distros (though both will include 2.4 in the next release). But if
>> mono 2.0.1 is now unusable then that's just how it is.
>>
>> I'm also not sure if mono 2.4 still has the 'mini-trampoline' assertion VM termination when many scripts are being
>> loaded on initial startup (this problem isn't present in mono 2.0.1).
>>
>> teravus at opensimulator.org wrote:
>>> Author: teravus
>>> Date: 2009-08-01 11:59:34 -0700 (Sat, 01 Aug 2009)
>>> New Revision: 10113
>>>
>>> Modified:
>>> trunk/README.txt
>>> Log:
>>> * Update ReadMe.txt to reflect feedback by testers
>>>
>>> Modified: trunk/README.txt
>>> ===================================================================
>>> --- trunk/README.txt 2009-08-01 14:26:00 UTC (rev 10112)
>>> +++ trunk/README.txt 2009-08-01 18:59:34 UTC (rev 10113)
>>> @@ -25,7 +25,7 @@
>>> == Installation on Linux ==
>>>
>>> Prereqs:
>>> - * Mono >= 2.0.1 (>= 2.4.2 is better)
>>> + * Mono >= 2.4 (>= 2.4.2 is better)
>>> * Nant >= 0.86beta
>>> * sqlite3 or mysql 5.x (you'll need a backend database)
>>>
>>>
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>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-commits
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>>
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