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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Not to provoke religious wars..</FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>I completely agree with your Win experience on
LAMP. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>However, with OpenSim the performance, stability
and tolerance gap is large . </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT face=Verdana>On a fashion CAD project I am using 2008
R2/</FONT><FONT face=Verdana>VS2010/.Net 4 and the ‘way behind’ gap to
Linux/Mono is equivalent to a hardware generation. </FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>IMHO Linux/mono dependency could well be
the Achilles' heel on OpenSim progress. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>Love Penguins too.</FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 04, 2009 4:07
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Opensim-dev] Minimum
OpenSim mono version now 2.4? (wasRe:[Opensim-commits] r10113 - trunk)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Maybe for standalone and hypergrid, but Windows/.NET is not an
option for me when my servers have to be published to the whole
world.<BR><BR>Call me paranoid but I don't trust in Windows for any kind of
server. The experience (or maybe torture) in my everyday job with
Windows servers is that they are intrinsically unsecure and have poor
performance (unless you have a bunch of € to spend in hardware).<BR><BR>My
fear is "well, I update my servers now, no problem, everything is all right",
and 2 months later someone of the core team decided that "a new thing from
mono 3.4 is needed" and again I have to "run forward" with the mono versions
of my servers. 2 months later, the same, and again, and again...<BR><BR>I know
that is alpha, open source, collaborative and with an "as-is" license, but,
seriously, it doesn't mean chaos. I am really frustrated, overall when I read
a message in the list with something like "update to version XXX".<BR><BR>But
this is only my "user" and "utilities developer" point of view. I rarely
develop for opensim core, but I use opensim for developing
applications...<BR><BR>Greetings<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2009/8/4 Brianna <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:wwwench@gmail.com">wwwench@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Verdana>For stability in the attic
... I have a hosted standalone OpenSim with .Net Framework
that has been rock solid for 208 days, that choice is
available.</FONT></DIV>
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:27 AM</DIV>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] Minimum OpenSim mono version now 2.4? (was
Re:[Opensim-commits] r10113 - trunk)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Please allow me to be cynic but... For using/developing
for/testing trunk Opensim versions I am forced to tweak my stable and well
patched Linux and to include an unstable mono version which I have no
guarantee about everything will work (maybe with 2.4, maybe with 2.5,
maybe with future 2.9)...<BR><BR>Too much unstability in the basement,
even for an "alpha code" project, I think.<BR><BR>When will be available a
stable version for testing the new things (beyond 0.6.*)? Actually I have
"fear of the trunk" and I am limited to old 0.6 versions for developing
utilities... quite frustrating.<BR><BR>Greetings<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2009/8/4 Nebadon Izumi <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:nebadon2025@gmail.com"
target=_blank>nebadon2025@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Ive written these instructions for compiling mono from
SVN and the Daily tarball for mono 2.5 if it helps anyone..<BR><BR>Daily
Tarbal : <A
href="http://www.osgrid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1334"
target=_blank>http://www.osgrid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1334</A><BR>Trunk
SVN : <A
href="http://www.osgrid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=539"
target=_blank>http://www.osgrid.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=539</A><BR><BR>while
opensim runs well on mono 2.4 it runs a lot better on 2.5 trunk.
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Ideia Boa <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:ideiaboa@gmail.com"
target=_blank>ideiaboa@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">I've these instructions for
building mono 2.4 from sources on Ubuntu, very helpful: <A
href="http://blog.ruski.co.za/page/Install-Mono-on-Ubuntu.aspx"
target=_blank>http://blog.ruski.co.za/page/Install-Mono-on-Ubuntu.aspx</A><BR><BR>Ideia
Boa<A href="http://www.worldsimterra.com"
target=_blank><BR>WorldSimTerra</A><BR><BR>orion hax wrote:
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<DIV>The repos only have 2.0.1 for ubuntu but it will compile 2.4
just fine from tar and SVN.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Christophe,
Jean-Charles Narbonne <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:christophe31@gmail.com"
target=_blank>christophe31@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Also there are repositorys with mono for ubuntu
or opensuse, (I use Opensuse for my server but on my desktop I
tryed upgrade mono from jauty repos, there was no other
dependences than mono and it worked well for desktop
apps...)<BR><BR>Reguards
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Teravus
Ovares <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:teravus@gmail.com"
target=_blank>teravus@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>Whoops, scratch that.. opensim-libs, not
opensim-dev :)<BR><FONT color=#888888><BR>-Teravus<BR></FONT>
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<DIV><BR>On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Teravus Ovares<<A
href="mailto:teravus@gmail.com"
target=_blank>teravus@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> The
HttpServer makes use of 2.4 specific things. It's
in<BR>> OpenSim-dev, if you can compile it with less
requirements, by all<BR>> means.<BR>><BR>>
Regards<BR>><BR>> Teravus<BR>><BR>> On Mon, Aug 3,
2009 at 1:44 PM, Justin<BR>> Clark-Casey<<A
href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com"
target=_blank>jjustincc@googlemail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>> Hi Teravus. I take it this means that
mono 2.0.1 is no longer usable with trunk? This is
somewhat inconvenient since<BR>>> Ubuntu and OpenSUSE
still ship mono 2.0.1 in their distros (though both will include
2.4 in the next release). But if<BR>>> mono 2.0.1 is
now unusable then that's just how it is.<BR>>><BR>>>
I'm also not sure if mono 2.4 still has the 'mini-trampoline'
assertion VM termination when many scripts are being<BR>>>
loaded on initial startup (this problem isn't present in mono
2.0.1).<BR>>><BR>>> <A
href="mailto:teravus@opensimulator.org"
target=_blank>teravus@opensimulator.org</A>
wrote:<BR>>>> Author: teravus<BR>>>> Date:
2009-08-01 11:59:34 -0700 (Sat, 01 Aug 2009)<BR>>>> New
Revision: 10113<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Modified:<BR>>>>
trunk/README.txt<BR>>>> Log:<BR>>>> *
Update ReadMe.txt to reflect feedback by
testers<BR>>>><BR>>>> Modified:
trunk/README.txt<BR>>>>
===================================================================<BR>>>>
--- trunk/README.txt 2009-08-01 14:26:00 UTC (rev
10112)<BR>>>> +++ trunk/README.txt 2009-08-01
18:59:34 UTC (rev 10113)<BR>>>> @@ -25,7 +25,7
@@<BR>>>> == Installation on Linux
==<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Prereqs:<BR>>>> - * Mono >= 2.0.1 (>= 2.4.2
is better)<BR>>>> + * Mono >= 2.4 (>= 2.4.2 is
better)<BR>>>> * Nant >=
0.86beta<BR>>>> * sqlite3 or mysql 5.x (you'll
need a backend
database)<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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