[Opensim-dev] moving away from grid vs. standalone

[Dahlia Trimble]

I dont know if refactoring in a branch is necessary or is all that easy to
do with our current SVN system. I think the communication channels we have
now (IRC, this mailing list) generally work fairly well. There have been a
few times where I wanted to work on a certain area of the code, i.e.
physics, and I need to work off of trunk otherwise I may not be able to
commit my changes as they would be incompatible. If breaking changes are
coming down the pipe then I can work around them if the communication
channels are working. So far the longest I've had to wait before attempting
any changes has been maybe 8 hours and I've been able to do something else
in the meantime so it was not wasted time.
I don't know if other open source projects have any better ways of managing
these types of issues.. perhaps this could be the subject of another thread.

Anyway, +1 on the changes and if it breaks anything, please offer an update
about when things return to normal (whatever normal means).


On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:10 AM, <diva at metaverseink.com> wrote:

>  Around now, or last week, would probably be a good time to tag something
> stable :-)
>
> I don't mind at all moving this refactoring to a branch, but since we have
> never done that I wouldn't even know what to do. I don't expect this to be
> bad. The transition to RESTComms was done without almost anyone noticing it,
> except the brave explorers in OSGrid who have to deal with having neighbors
> on all sorts of different versions. But except for the version mismatches,
> which are really impossible to manage from a development perspective, most
> people only noticed when suddenly OpenSim.ini didn't have the remoting port
> anymore. And RESTComms actually involved a complete replacement of the
> underlying protocol from Remoting to http+REST, which is not the case here
> -- the protocol won't change, at least not now.
>
> Charles Krinke wrote:
>
>  It is always a balance between keeping functionality in an evolving
> project and refactoring and experimenting.
>
> I will support and encourage refactoring and experimentation with one
> proviso. That proviso is a few paragraphs on the wiki giving clues to allow
> those deploying OpenSim what is going on and how to work around trunk during
> a period of refactoring and experimentation.
>
> Charles
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Mike Dickson <mike.dickson at hp.com> <mike.dickson at hp.com>
> *To:* "opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de" <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
> <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de> <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:57:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] moving away from grid vs. standalone
>
> I'll echo a sentiment I've tried to express before. This sort of
> aggressive refactoring and experimentation is really important to the
> growth of OpenSim.  The "release" process has been focused on trying to
> figure out a stable point and snapshot-ing that. That places a burden on
> the "release coordinator" to poll folks for what that stable "snapshot"
> is.  IMO, ideally the heavy refactoring would happen on a branch or
> separate tree and then pushed to HEAD when it stabilizes.
>
> Again, I'm completely for the heavy research  and refactoring focus.
> But IMO if for a shared project you want to do that you need to adopt a
> development approach that gracefully allows that to happen.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:37 +0000, Dahlia Trimble wrote:
> > We need to be careful about how things are broken and make repairs
> > expeditiously as we also hinder other developers if they are unable to
> > use their regions for development and testing.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Melanie <melanie at t-data.com> wrote:
> >        Maybe these things need to be broken. We are almost locked
> >        into a
> >        rigid schema, now we still have a chance to go to true
> >        modularity
> >        and we should take it. After all, trunk is meant to be
> >        broken :)
> >
> >
> >        Melanie
>
>
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