[Opensim-dev] WG: Legal Issues was RFC Profiles
Mike Dickson
mike.dickson at hp.com
Wed Apr 1 14:16:57 UTC 2009
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 14:05 +0000, James Stallings II wrote:
> Actually Mike,
>
>
> I am going to have to agree with you 100% on this. I think that from a
> purely architectural standpoint, the ideal is to have as much of all
> functionality in modules as possible :D
>
>
> That said, I think it will be next to impossible not to keep the
> source for some of these modules in the source tree if we hope to be
> able to deliver a base set of features via a single invocation of
> svn/tortoise.
Again, this is an ideal to me and the real implementation is somewhere
in the middle. But I see it kinda like a Linux distro. Various things
packaged togethor to make an OpenSim "flavor". There's been some work to
do an installer recently, maybe that's the place to pull togethor core +
modules to get to a useable install. It's completely understandable why
it is what it is now. Just normal evolution of the project.
>
> So while architecturally it makes all the sense in the world to keep
> such functionality out of core in the strict sense, such discussions
> (and their potential implementations) are IMHO, definitely appropriate
> fodder for discussion here.
I'm not at all against the conversations on the features and their use
cases. That's high value also and important. I was (possibly over)
reacting to the notion that changes were required in core to support
this. OpenSim is already a nice extensible framework but I think if the
framework aspect was pushed more to the forefront it could be even
better.
> Cheers!
> James
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson at hp.com>
> wrote:
> Wnat I'm actually trying to say is that core should be the
> framework it
> was intended to be. So rather than put something to support
> communicating license models for content in core I'd prefer to
> see it as
> an add on in forge. Heck, I'd really honestly prefer
> hypergrid was the
> same way. In short I'm advocating putting less in core as
> opposed to any
> specific way to handle licensing. I'm fine if someone wants to
> develop
> add-on functionality in forge to do that and if others want to
> download
> it and enable it on their grid. IMO, thats the right model for
> functionality of this sort.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 06:22 +0000, Ralf Haifisch wrote:
> > Exactly, this and means to identify the creator - even using
> hypergrid.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:48:57 -0700
> > From: Dahlia Trimble <dahliatrimble at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] WG: Legal Issues was RFC Profiles
> > To: mike.dickson at hp.com, opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <ab84ceb10903311548o2146dc26r357bfb928fa1b927 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I don't think anyone is suggesting that OpenSim core should
> mandate any
> > licensing scenario, but rather should OpenSim provide any
> hooks necessary
> > for content creators to specify asset-specific licenses
> beyond
> > Copy/Mod/Transfer. Whether those hooks are functional and
> whatever defaults
> > are in place would likely be an installation specific
> configuration.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Mike Dickson
> <mike.dickson at hp.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If as a creator I want to add a notecard to my object
> indicating the
> > > licensing terms I want to apply when someone has a copy of
> or rez's my
> > > object I'm free to do so. Heck I could even get fancy and
> script it
> > > asking for a click-through menu response or something.
> I'm not against
> > > licensing of objects. Just don't pollute what is IMO an
> already a tad
> > > over-complex OpenSim core with it.
> > >
> > > Content licensing is a matter for the grid TOS and
> individual content
> > > providers on that grid. Not, IMO something that OpenSIM
> core needs to
> > > worry about or address.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 21:08 +0000, Ralf Haifisch wrote:
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > i while ago i went over the legal side of many aspects
> with 2 lawyer.
> > > >
> > > > Since this is a multinational question and in many cases
> has not
> > exampels
> > > > (e.g. no judgments by court) it tends to be a discussion
> based on
> > > personal
> > > > flavor, but not legal facts.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, maybe there is enough mud for the whole 3D web.
> > > >
> > > > But to come to the point:
> > > >
> > > > - I don?t know any country, where having the ability to
> add a
> > > > hypergrid-aware note about the creator and a license
> (hint, url,
> > > notecard)
> > > > would have negative impact
> > > >
> > > > - I know a few countrys where it would realy help from
> legal side
> > > >
> > > > - it would be a clear sign, that the opensim crew takes
> care about
> > > content
> > > > rights and ownership
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And yes, this only is another brick in the wall of
> copyright protection.
> > > We
> > > > still have RL laws, we still need secure technical
> system, rights
> > > management
> > > > etc etc...
> > > >
> > > > And spoken in sex beds, I am more afraid about the pure
> mass von
> > > animations
> > > > etc - a few more notecards don?t worry me to much. :-)
> > > >
> > > > So - if it is possible somehow, please add it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just my 2 cent...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ralf
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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