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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My stepfather would say – God rest his soul – “Let’s all fight, I hate peace.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Why don’t we all setup a virtual boxing ring and just duke it out there? :P<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>PS. To all the opensim developers on the list, I think you do a great job!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org [mailto:opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>AJLDuarte<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 9 August 2016 9:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Tom Frost' <tomfrost@linkwater.org>; opensim-users@opensimulator.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] Firestorm Viewer 4.7.7 overloads region capability to process RequestMapBlocks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> You seem to have issues reading…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It where Firestorm team members ( some on their jira some on other chats) who told that there would be no more support to opensim.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>To that I said:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>“</span><span lang=EN-US>Our mantis, irc channels etc are there if they do want do discuss any problem.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>That means any viewer related issue is welcome and will be looked at, if reported on the proper channel.. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I can add that OpenSim users reporting problems only to Viewer Teams only made things worse, not better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Some viewers may even had changed their code to work with outdated versions of opensim or even running own modified code<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>That just makes even harder to do a proper fix.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I have no direct or indirect economical interests in opensim <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=PT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=PT style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Tom Frost [<a href="mailto:tomfrost@linkwater.org">mailto:tomfrost@linkwater.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 09, 2016 06:51<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-users@opensimulator.org">opensim-users@opensimulator.org</a>; AJLDuarte<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] Firestorm Viewer 4.7.7 overloads region capability to process RequestMapBlocks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>And this, sadly, is the best illustration of why opensim is doomed. If opensim declares 'we do not support firestorm', i'm not going to bother anymore.<br><br>Goodbye opensim, hello high fidelity?<br><br>If only opensim had some devs that actually cared about more than their direct economical interests, if only opensim had a strong sense of direction, there might be a future. <br><br>I tried to join development, but the hostile environment to new devs who are not part of the clique cured me of that.<br><br>As it stands, the opensim codebase is a steaming pile of unmaintainable crap with no hope of improvement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On 8 August 2016 23:16:09 CEST, AJLDuarte <<a href="mailto:ajlduarte@sapo.pt">ajlduarte@sapo.pt</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-US>Oh but there was another talk going on with someone else outside that Jira.<br>A lot more pleasant and friendly talk, but pretty much same thing.<br>So like the other devs that tried talking with them before me, I no longer<br>care if FS works on not with opensim.<br>(And at SL, why use the dam thing with their c&p errors and not the original<br>thing?)<br><br>Our mantis, irc channels etc are there if they do want do discuss any<br>problem.<br>(yeah not going to happen we know...)<br><br>Looking to the irc channels as I type, this thing does seem pretty much dead<br>anyway...<br>Regards.<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org">opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org</a><br>[<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org">mailto:opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ai Austin<br>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 14:26<br>To: <a href="mailto:opensim-users@opensimulator.org">opensim-users@opensimulator.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Firestorm Viewer 4.7.7 overloads region<br>capab!<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> ility to<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>process RequestMapBlocks<br><br>At 13:00 08/08/2016, From: "AJLDuarte" <<a href="mailto:ajlduarte@sapo.pt">ajlduarte@sapo.pt</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>Final Firestorm response on this issue:<br><a href="http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-19778">http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-19778</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #729FCF 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.0pt'><pre><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US>From: drWhiet <<a href="mailto:drwhiet@spacefriends.de">drwhiet@spacefriends.de</a>> Boom!<o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><pre><span lang=EN-US><br><br>Now now :-) ... it was hardy a final comment or a definitive <br>"Firestorm response". This was one frustrated comment by one (very <br>active and helpful actually) developer who thought you were mixing up <br>two issues... one (fixed in 4.7.9) bug in Firestorm 4.7.7 where a <br>constant and never ending stream of map block request were made (very <br>many per sec!<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-US> ond<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>potentially) when at a certain zoom level on the map <br>tool, and a change made to refresh the map blocks every 60 seconds to <br>make the map tool be "live".<br><br>Others on the Firestorm JIRA have clearly stated they themselves are <br>OpenSim users and definitely want to see OpenSim well supported by<br>Firestorm.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>Opensim-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Opensim-users@opensimulator.org">Opensim-users@opensimulator.org</a><br><a href="http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users">http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><br>Opensim-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Opensim-users@opensimulator.org">Opensim-users@opensimulator.org</a><br><a href="http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users">http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div></div></body></html>