<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>If the previous version of OpenSim worked with the version of Mono that the latest Dev Master doesn't, then I think it's incumbent upon the the OpenSim devs to figure out what they are doing differently now, that causes it to no longer work, and to at least consider doing it they way they had previously, that worked. </div><div><br></div><div>-ste (smxy/Shaun Emerald )<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 26, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Tom Frost <<a href="mailto:tomfrost@linkwater.org">tomfrost@linkwater.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" http-equiv="Content-Type"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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--></style>Hello Thomas,<br>
<br>
While i vehemently agree that being able to run linux opensim servers is very much desired, you are aware that 0.9.0.0 is still an unreleased version of opensim, right?<br>
<br>
With opensim as a whole being classified as 'alpha' unreleased versions are even more experimental than an alpha release.<br>
<br>
Mono itself isn't the most stable platform either. I can't run opensim on any mono version available onfreebsd for example.<br>
<br>
Nor can i use the wifi on my new laptop with any of the current 'stable' branches of the linux kernel.<br>
<br>
This is the ecosystem of open source. Complex constellations of various versions of incompatible software maintained by lots of different teams. And when something breaks, it obviously always is the other project's fault.<br>
<br>
I couldn't run opensim (an actually releases version) on my linux box a few months ago. Turned out a kernel upgrade broke something. Was it the kernel? Was it ubuntu's modifications to the kernel? Was it mono? Was it opensim? I don't know but something was fixed and without updating opensim i can now run it on the latest linux kernel and mono version that is default on my distro.<br>
<br>
The bottom line is: if no one cares enough about the isdue to do the work of debugging and finding out whic project is yo blame, it won't get done no matter how much you complain.<br>
<br>
No-one gives a rats ass about me not being able to use the wifi under linux on my new laptop. So unless i want to go in and debug this myself i just need to find a workaround. Get a usb wifi dongle that is supported for example.<br>
<br>
And if no one cares about not being able to run opensim on freebsd, i either fix it (wouldn't know where to start) or find a work-around. Obviously, when the workaround (running opensim on linux) fails to work as well and i don't care enough to fix it myself, i will shrug, exit the opensim stage and move on to one of the new and hip platforms.<br>
<br>
Anyway, i do think there are enough people to care about opensim on linux to prevent that fron becoming a reality. I'm confident that when distro's start installing 4.x versions of mono by default, issues will be fixed. But supporting all the variants of mono that are out there now, and behave differently on various major fronts, it's expected that the priority is to have opensim work well with common versions of mono.<br>
<br>
Rather lengthy post, don't know how that happened :)<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Tom<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 November 2015 17:53:21 CET, Thomas Ringate <<a href="mailto:tringate@gmail.com">tringate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>Thanks for the information. I am running the same new version 4.2.1
(Stable 4.2.1.102/6dd2d0d Thu Nov 12 04:43:41 EST 2015) of mono.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am going to put up with the shutdown issue until they really know it is
mono and someone who knows what is not working can report it to the mono
team.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Dropping back to a rather old release of mono as the opensim solution
really isn’t a great resolution in my mind unless the opensim developers have
identified what opensim is doing that is a legal operation and mono is not
handling it correctly.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Opensim “OSgrid 0.8.3.0 (Dev) 41b2855: 2015-10-21” worked just fine on this
release of mono. Obviously opensim changed something that mono can not
handle. Looking for a version of mono that works rather than understanding why
the current version of mono does not work with the new release of opensim isn’t
the right solution, unless the problem is reported to the mono team so it can be
fixed.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>If this is the new approach to fixing issues with opensim, I do not think
it will be long before the only os that opensim will run on will be “windows
with .net” and those of us who are using Linux with mono will be left in the
dust.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I run my development standalone on my windows desktop machine and the
current version of opensim works just fine there like others have
reported. I need it to work on the 17 instances of opensim I run on
three Linux servers as well.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>One should keep in mind neither windows or .net are open source, yet
opensim is open source. mono is open source, developers should honor their
commitment to open source compatibility with the courtesy of letting the mono
team know they have an issue so it can be fixed.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="ajlduarte@sapo.pt" href="mailto:ajlduarte@sapo.pt">AJLDuarte</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:11 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="opensim-users@opensimulator.org" href="mailto:opensim-users@opensimulator.org">opensim-users@opensimulator.org</a>
</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] ReleaseOSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166:
2015-11-23shutdown problems</div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif";="" color:="" #1f497d"="">Hi</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif";="" color:="" #1f497d"="">
Similar issue was already reported, and found to be related to
mono</span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif";="" color:="" #1f497d"="">
Check <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743</a></span></p><p></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif";="" color:="" #1f497d"="">regards</span></p><p></p><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="PT" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: " tahoma","sans-serif";="" color:="" windowtext"="">From:</span></b><span lang="PT" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: " tahoma","sans-serif";="" color:="" windowtext"="">
<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org">opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org">mailto:opensim-users-bounces@opensimulator.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Han
Held<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 26, 2015 03:59<br><b>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:opensim-users@opensimulator.org">opensim-users@opensimulator.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users]
ReleaseOSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166: 2015-11-23 shutdown
problems</span></p><p></p><p></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">More likely than not, it's a mono
problem. I've encountered that sporadically over the years. What is your os
(vendor, version, 32 bit or 64 bit) and what's the output of mono --version
?</p><p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/25/15 1:39 PM, Thomas Ringate
wrote:</p><p></p></div>
<blockquote style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">Anyone
else having a problem with shutting down a simulator since upgrading to
release OSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 5e4b166: 2015-11-23?</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""=""> </span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">I can
only shut down the simulator by using a Linux “kill” command. The
opensim “quit” command no longer works. It goes to the point you get the
message “Exiting...” and then hangs forever.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""=""> </span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">The
simulators appear to be running fine, but kind of a nuisance not to be able to
use normal commands to shut them down.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""=""> </span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">They are
running in a “screen” terminal window.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""=""> </span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">Here is
the log of a shutdown immediately after launching a
region.</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""=""> </span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:29,952 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase [SERVER BASE]: Running
shutdown_commands.txt</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:29,978 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase [SERVER BASE]: Running
'backup'</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:33,925 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Closing all
threads</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Killing listener
thread</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Killing
clients</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:33,926 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Closing console and
terminating</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:33,927 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Closing down the single
simulator: Sanctuary</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:34,148 DEBUG
(Maintenance (Sanctuary)) - OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]:
Removing thread Maintenance (Sanctuary), ID 79</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:34,428 DEBUG (1)
- OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]:
TriggerSceneShuttingDown</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:34,428 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.EventManager [EVENT MANAGER]:
TriggerSceneShuttingDown done</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:34,429 DEBUG (1)
- OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Persisting changed
objects</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:34,588 DEBUG (1)
- OpenSim.Services.GridService.GridService [GRID SERVICE]: Deregistering
region Sanctuary (3b15c050-1fe4-11df-8a39-0800200c9a66) at
10054-9986</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:34,909 DEBUG (1)
- OpenSim.OpenSimBase [SHUTDOWN]: Shutting down region
Sanctuary</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:35,678 DEBUG (1)
- OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.Voice.VivoxVoice.VivoxVoiceModule
[VivoxVoice]: region Sanctuary: uuid 3b15c050-1fe4-11df-8a39-0800200c9a66:
located directory id 4439471</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:35,773 DEBUG
(Threadpool worker) - OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]:
Removing thread Heartbeat-(Sanctuary), ID 75</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:35,774 ERROR
(Threadpool worker) - OpenSim.OpenSim [WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread
"Heartbeat-(Sanctuary)". ThreadState=Stopped. Last tick was 1916ms ago.
</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,025 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager [DATASNAPSHOT]: Region
Sanctuary is being removed, removing from indexing</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,031 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.XEngine.XEngine [XEngine]: Shutting down 487
scripts in Sanctuary</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,208 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.LLUDPServer [LLUDPSERVER]: Shutting
down the LLUDP server for Sanctuary</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,208 DEBUG (1)
- OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase [UDPBASE]: Stopping outbound UDP
loop</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,209 DEBUG (1)
- OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase [UDPBASE]: Stopping inbound UDP
loop</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,210 DEBUG
(Outgoing Packets (Sanctuary)) - OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog
[WATCHDOG]: Removing thread Outgoing Packets (Sanctuary), ID
59</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,223 DEBUG (1)
- OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
InventoryWorkerThread0, ID 66</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,223 DEBUG (1)
- OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread
InventoryWorkerThread1, ID 67</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,231 DEBUG (1)
- OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Dispose
Physics</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,234 DEBUG
(bulletunmanaged (Sanctuary)) - OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog
[WATCHDOG]: Removing thread bulletunmanaged (Sanctuary), ID
57</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,246 DEBUG
(Incoming Packets (Sanctuary)) - OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog
[WATCHDOG]: Removing thread Incoming Packets (Sanctuary), ID
58</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,391 INFO
(1) -
OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.XmlRpcGroups.SimianGroupsServicesConnectorModule
[SIMIAN-GROUPS-CONNECTOR]: Closing
SimianGroupsServicesConnector</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,392 DEBUG (1)
-
OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Avatar.XmlRpcGroups.XmlRpcGroupsServicesConnectorModule
[XMLRPC-GROUPS-CONNECTOR]: Closing
XmlRpcGroupsServicesConnector</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,798 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager [DATASNAPSHOT]: data
service <a href="http://search.osgrid.org/register.php">http://search.osgrid.org/register.php</a>
notified. Secret:
38384e09-f875-4b31-a5a0-dccc4566ac1d</span></p><p></p><p></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: " calibri","sans-serif""="">2015-11-25 17:18:36,801 INFO
(1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer [SHUTDOWN]: Shutdown
processing on main thread complete.
Exiting...</span></p><p></p><p></p></div></div></div>
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