<div dir="ltr">I have a related question... for a while simian provided a separate "launcher" application could launch a viewer and embed in the login URI your openid credentials (the launcher app when installed registered with the internet browser as a handler for a URL scheme). It was pretty nice because there was no need to set up login uris in the viewer at all (and you didn't have to "login" if you had an authenticated OpenID). I still have the code but it relied on the viewers supporting the command line "--loginuri" switch so it stopped working when the viewers stopped supporting that switch.<div>
<br></div><div>At this point... i'm interested in one of two login/startup options:</div><div><br></div><div>Option 1: provide a URL in a web page which, when clicked on, would launch the viewer with the login uri embedded (obviously supporting an openid authentication would be nice too). <br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Option 2: provide a URL for a hypergrid link which, when clicked on, would log you into your home grid with the startup region a hypergridded region.</div><div><br></div><div>I kind of prefer the second option because it doesn't require account creation... but either one would help us with the login uri configuration problem.</div>
<div><br></div><div>--mic<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Diva Canto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com" target="_blank">diva@metaverseink.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><tt>I don't know about "branding"
viewers, that's a whole other issue. But regarding the process
to make these environments easily accessible to newcomers, I
have some advice.<br>
<br>
A setup guide with painfully clear instructions works very well
for people who have never used this system before. I'm making
the one I wrote publicly available for non-commercial use, feel
free to direct your users to it:</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><a href="http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/SingularitySetupGuide.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/SingularitySetupGuide.pdf</a></tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>I usually send this setup guide by email along with the
two URLs that people need, one in step 1 and the other in step
4. In the email, I let them know that they will need those URLs
in those steps.</tt><tt><br>
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</tt><tt>So far, I've had zero problems with people configuring
things and login. </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>Interacting while inside the world is another story, as
these environments are extremely confusing for people who aren't
used to them. For those of you designing educational settings in
opensim, my recommendation is to design your environments so
that people have a lot less degrees of freedom than what these
viewers provide. For example, have people login to an
environment with chairs/sits, and immediately have them click on
a chair and sit down. The chairs should have scripts for
controlling their cameras, so that they look at exactly the
right thing, whatever that is.</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>I wrote about some of these </tt><tt>design issues here:</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><a href="http://tagide.com/blog/2013/03/design-and-implementation-of-a-virtual-collaboration-environment/" target="_blank">http://tagide.com/blog/2013/03/design-and-implementation-of-a-virtual-collaboration-environment/</a></tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>I've made peace with the fact that we have a complicated
client software that people need to install and configure. The
way to mitigate the complexity for newcomers is threefold: <br>
<br>
(1) avoid the Grid Manager altogether and use the grid textbox
for the login URL, which, thank god!, the Singularity developers
already did; <br>
<br>
(2) provide setup guides that are as clear as possible (we're
not the only ones doing this, btw; many web conferencing systems
also require software installation and configuration); and <br>
<br>
(3) design your environments so that they are as simple as
possible -- these environments have too many degrees of freedom,
but it's possible to reduce them. <br>
<br>
</tt><div><div class="h5"><tt></tt><br>
On 2/19/2014 7:45 AM, Dr Ramesh Ramloll wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Kay, I think there are a number of things that need
tailoring in addition to the ability of adding a grid (which as
diva pointed is available in singularity). For my user base, no
one will ever be interested to do even that (no interest =>
will never learn). I was hoping for some configuration file that
can contain the needed custom data e.g. list of names of
regions, urls to pictures of various regions etc.. and once the
user downloads the viewer+drop the custom config file in the
same folder, the config file is read and all the important
pieces set on application launch. So may be working with tpv
developers can help .... I definitely think that the only things
the casual user should know is how to navigate, click/touch, and
voice chat. The rest is for us.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Diva
Canto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com" target="_blank">diva@metaverseink.com</a>></span>
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<div>Singularity already has this. <br>
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On 2/19/2014 4:42 AM, Kay McLennan wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">As an alternative to re-branding 3
different versions of a viewer (to match 3
different operating systems) each time a viewer is
upgraded, would it be possible to develop viewers
that utilize web browser-like addresses (?). What
I have in mind is being able to type (or copy) a
grid's login URL directly into the "Grid" text
box. In this way, there is no need to: (1)
re-brand viewers; or (2) go through all of the
steps needed to add a grid to a viewer via the
"Grid Manager" feature.
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<div>Again, wouldn't it be easier to develop
viewers that enable users to simply type a grid
URL into the grid name box (?). </div>
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