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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Well, it was worth a try.  Although I'd
      think that at least in the case of low level trouble makers and
      script kiddies some combination of blocking IP, MAC, and ID0
      should be enough to keep them out.  Besides, if anything its
      really just another tool at our disposal to make it at least a
      little bit more difficult for them to get in.  :)<br>
      On 02/25/2013 09:16 PM, Dahlia Trimble wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAAQTD4U9-Chu5wSTxVAZwcvLyAWx8w_aNaWq1nRzdUg_27No8A@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">the viewer could send a false uuid in place of the
      hard drive uuid without necessarily modifying the hard drive<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM, John
        Sheridan <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:john@pseudospace.net" target="_blank">john@pseudospace.net</a>></span>
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          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I believe
          the viewer also adds in a third safe guard in combination with
          IP / MAC address.  Long ago while tinkering around with the
          viewer logins I remember seeing mentions of an ID0 floating
          around thats sent to the login service as part of the login
          data packet.  If I understood correctly, this is supposedly
          the UUID of the user's first hard drive - which in fact cannot
          be changed without physically replacing the drive itself (see
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Current_login_protocols"
            target="_blank">http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Current_login_protocols</a>).
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              On 02/25/2013 06:18 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote:<br>
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                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                Yeah, I think like websites the only thing you can
                ultimately do is ban by IP for a period.  Otherwise,
                they could always just create a new account, change
                their MAC address, etc.  Of course, they can change
                their IP too but this is the most hassle.<br>
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                On 25/02/13 17:51, Sarge Misfit wrote:<br>
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                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  Other than banning by IP or MAC address, I don't know.<br>
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                  On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:51 AM, <<a
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                    target="_blank">opensiminfo@virtualrealmsgrid.com</a>
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                    href="mailto:opensiminfo@virtualrealmsgrid.com"
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                  wrote:<br>
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                      I see there has been a post about this issue
                  before. My post here is two fold..   One is to
                  apologize to the grids<br>
                      that have been victim to this and to request that
                  other grids do not restrict hypergrid access from my
                  grid.. Also<br>
                      to start a discussion about steps to prevent this
                  in the future..   I have been notified yesterday and
                  this morning<br>
                      I have a griefer registering on the Virtual Realms
                  Grid then going to other grids to grieve them..  I
                  have take<br>
                      steps to ensure this does not happen anymore..  I
                  have restricted new user creations to administrative
                  approval till<br>
                      we have sort out a good practical preventive
                  measure on this type of abuse. And would like to
                  extend an apology to<br>
                      any grid that have been a victim to this by any of
                  the grids users..  I will be looking at ways to
                  prevent this from<br>
                      happening in the future..  To this end any
                  suggestions to help grids prevent this from happening
                  would be welcomed..<br>
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                      Thank you,<br>
                      Todd Davis<br>
                      Grid Administrator<br>
                      Virtual Realms Grid..<br>
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