I am actually pleased to see this discussion too. I learned a LOT. Man that level of passion is sooo comforting.<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Shaun Erickson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ste@smxy.org" target="_blank">ste@smxy.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Please don't. I find it to be a very educational discussion. If you don't want to read it further, exercise your finger on the delete key, please.<br>
<br>-ste</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Michael Mitchell <<a href="mailto:mmitchel@gmail.com" target="_blank">mmitchel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
WTF?<div><br></div><div>""<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You keep mentioning laws in your country, but that is irrelevant and </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">immaterial."" -- melanie</span><div>
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">In all seriousness, this thread is the typical dead horse. With more than its share of</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">arm chair lawyers. So how about we keep beating it, and see where it winds up?</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Can we put this thread on *MUTE* please?</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Melanie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:melanie@t-data.com" target="_blank">melanie@t-data.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
On 19/11/2012 22:51, Snowcrash Short wrote:<br>
> Theft is a criminal act punishable by law, and illegal acquisition or<br>
> distribution of immaterial property (typically IP) is theft, what you are<br>
> referring to is "breach of contract" and requires that a contract has been<br>
> entered into by both parties. If no contract has been made made - in my<br>
> country it must be entered into explicitly - there cannot be a "breach of<br>
> contract".<br>
<br>
Theft of IP occurs when you obtain copies of IP in ways not licensed<br>
by the creator. This is a criminal offense. Additionally, you incur<br>
civil liability through breach of contract, which is what the TOS<br>
are. In Avination, you cannot log in without accepting the TOS,<br>
which means you have entered into this contract and are bound by it.<br>
<br>
Therefore, downloading content from Avination will open you up to<br>
both criminal and civil penalties.<br>
<br>
You keep mentioning laws in your country, but that is irrelevant and<br>
immaterial. Most infringers are not from your country. If most<br>
infringers were from a single country, that country could be IP<br>
blocked and we'd have no more problems. Sadly, infringers are all<br>
over and that means that, due to statistical distribution, most<br>
infringers are not covered by your country's laws.<br>
<br>
Let me state this here for the record: I do not believe that anyone<br>
here is accusing you personally of infringing copyright. I certainly<br>
do not accuse you of such a thing. We are concerned, as a community,<br>
that your tool will remove a barrier to entry for copybotters. They<br>
will no longer need to learn complex toolsets. That is the risk<br>
we're seeing and that is why some of the posters on this thread have<br>
started thinking aloud about blocking technologies.<br>
<br>
I have hinted at it before people started saying it outright - isn't<br>
it better to have an accepted, community-supported tool than to have<br>
a banned tool?<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
- Melanie<br>
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