<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Fleep Tuque <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fleep513@gmail.com" target="_blank">fleep513@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Well, to clarify, a user _may_ have rights to copy items in their inventory from one grid to another, but they also may not - it all depends on the individual license for the individual item.<div><br></div><div>In the current server/viewer schema, the Copy/Mod/Transfer permissions preserved in the object edit window indicates a limited license applicable _only_ to the grid where the item originated, as far as I understand. This is the source of much confusion as many people interpret Copy/Mod/Trans permissions as a license applying to any grid, but it doesn't, it only applies to the grid where the item originated.</div>
</blockquote><div>The issue is further compounded by different countries having different laws. E.g. in my country no agreement exists unless it has been explicitly agreed upon by both parties. I.e. I need to be presented with a clear choice (Do you accept the TOS Yes or No), otherwise no agreement is made. And even those agreements have their limitations, especially in regards to end-users who are not used to complicated license agreements.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>An item creator can also make a separate license that applies permissions for other grids, which may give a user permission to copy the item to other grids, but the problem is, there's no mechanism to record that license and reliably attach the additional license to the item. Sticking a notecard in the item's contents is not a reliable method since it can simply be deleted, or in the case of an Imprudence type xml import/export, lost even unintentionally.</div>
<div> </div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div></div><div>Until the server/viewer schema supports the preservation of explicit licensing options for more than the originating grid (the most popular suggestion seems to be adding an "exportable" checkbox to the existing C/M/T scheme), I'm afraid we'll continue to be stuck in this murky state where no one is entirely sure of the provenance of any item except for the items they have created themselves, and no one really knows which items are licensed for copy to other grids and which aren't. </div>
<div><br></div><div>It's an unhappy state of affairs for everyone, right now, IMO.</div><div><br></div></blockquote><div>I agree with you about the unhappy state for everyone, and IMO it needs to be resolved if opensim wants to progress, MyInventory is not intended to be a rip tool and I will implement what features it takes to prevent MyInventory from being abused, but at the sametime, users need better tools for managing their inventories in an open grid environment.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div></div><div>- Chris/Fleep</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
<div><div><div><div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Mike Chase <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike.chase@alternatemetaverse.com" target="_blank">mike.chase@alternatemetaverse.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Actually, as the creator of an item I own it. Not the “user”. That’s clear because I get to set the permissions under which the next “owner” or licensee can use it. When someone acquires an digital asset I created they get a license to use it. The value of the creation itself usually far exceeds what someone pays for it. I only create in grids I trust because the grid operator must defend my rights via a DMCA process. So no a “user” doesn’t have rights to copy items in inventory they “own”. Because ownership of digital assets doesn’t transfer. Only a license to use them for a purpose.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So in short I think some of your thinking about users “rights” is somewhat flawed. That doesn’t meant there aren’t protocols to do what you want to do. But yeah, I think providing such a tool is asking to get sued. And it probably damages the reputation of OpenSim as serious software for serving digital assets. That’s a shame because there are a number of closed grids trying to actually correct that assumption by providing a more secure environment for content creators to operate in. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Just my 2 cents. Do what you will with it<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mike<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Snowcrash Short<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 15, 2012 7:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] Announcement of inventory tool (MyInventory), mostly of interest to grid operators/grid nauts<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Before this gets out of hand, let me clarify, this is not a backup tool, at least no per se, one of the features is the ability to backup content from an existing account (a backup which is governed by a policy).<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The primary goal of the project is to move the inventory and the assets to their rightful users and to empower the users to use the assets as they want - within legal limits.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In an ideal world - except for special cases, the inventory and the assets backing the inventory is controlled by the user, and that is the goal of the project, to bring the inventory under the control of the user.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To this purpose it currently has two input streams supporting it (one more is planned), the first is client side access to .iar files, the second is download from the users existing inventory, to the extent allowed by law and agreements made between the user and grid operators.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Knowing that only a few of the grid operators using Open Sim has policies in place, this email serves as an invitation to make these policies public, and to implement - to the extent possible - these policies in MyInventory.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The question of attribution is only relevant when the assets are being distributed, MyInventory has currently no functionality for distribution. The as yet unfinished and only hinted at third input stream deals with distribution. The current implementation does not distribute any data, it only grants a user simpler way access to the assets the user has rightfully access to.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Snowcrash<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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