<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">We added a patch to the Mantis. <div><br></div><div>- Server tries to send Pacific Time daylight saving status to the client, whatever timezone the system is.</div><div>- If failed, falls back to system time zone and logs a warning.</div><div>- It does not affect client-side UTC settings like in Imprudence</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5972">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5972</a></div><div><br></div><div>I strongly think this is the way to go until custom timezone is actually implemented. And i'd love it to be implemented.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>Le 19 avr. 2012 à 01:09, Gudule Lapointe a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">My tests and the examples (including OSGrid time) show that the server DO control DST setting, while it does not control the other part of the timezone.<div><br></div><div>And this is why it's a bug. If the client is expecting pacific time and relies on the server for DST, DST has to be calculated on Paciifc Time</div><div><br></div><div>The "decision" of using UTC is cool, but it has absolutely no effect. I don't know a grid where UTC is the in-world time. Imprudence implements it on the client-side only.</div><div><br></div><div>So the server must definitively send the info the client is expecting. Until management of a server-side custom timezone is implemented.</div><div><br></div>Sending a Hong Kong daylight saving to a client showing Los Angeles time has absolutely no sense.<div><br><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>Le 19 avr. 2012 à 01:03, Robert Klein a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>We decided a long time ago to settle on UTC as the default timezone and it<br>looks like the Imprudence team added the support to their viewer. Here is<br>the link to the wiki <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Universal_Time_in_OpenSim">http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Universal_Time_in_OpenSim</a><br><br>-Robert<br><br>--<br>View this message in context: <a href="http://opensim-users.2152040.n2.nabble.com/Timezone-tp7477565p7478969.html">http://opensim-users.2152040.n2.nabble.com/Timezone-tp7477565p7478969.html</a><br>Sent from the opensim-users mailing list archive at <a href="http://Nabble.com/">Nabble.com</a>.<br>_______________________________________________<br>Opensim-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br><a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><br></div></blockquote><div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><br></div></div></div><div><div>Le 19 avr. 2012 à 00:51, Justin Clark-Casey a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I can't remember the details but I think this is because it's not something the server can control - the stock viewers are hardcoded to pacific time even if they might make some change for daylight savings.<br><br>The imprudence guys implemented another mechanism to change the timezone, I think.<br><br>On 18/04/12 22:31, Fleep Tuque wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">I'm not sure why timezone isn't a configurable option in opensim.ini? My campus grid users don't care about UTC or any<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">other time zone than our own and what they most need to know is when their class meets.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- Chris/Fleep<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">UCIT Instructional & Research Computing<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">University of Cincinnati<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">406A Zimmer Hall<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">315 College Drive<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">PO BOX 210088<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:chris.collins@uc.edu">chris.collins@uc.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:chris.collins@uc.edu">mailto:chris.collins@uc.edu</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(513) 556-3018<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://ucsim.uc.edu/">http://ucsim.uc.edu</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Olivier van Helden <<a href="mailto:olivier@van-helden.net">olivier@van-helden.net</a> <<a href="mailto:olivier@van-helden.net">mailto:olivier@van-helden.net</a>>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> If it's not a feature, it's a bug!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I made more extensive tests and my conclusion is:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - If I set my server on whatever timezone not using DST, viewer would show PST in anycase<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> - If i set it to whatever timezone using DST, viewer would show PDT if applicable, PST otherwise (SL behaviour)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> This is insane: we use a local setting for daylight savings, and a global hardcoded setting for the hour<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> This probably means even those using DST will not change at the same time, depending on which timezone they have.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I filled a Mantis about this<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5972">http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5972</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Le 18 avr. 2012 à 18:24, Gudule Lapointe a écrit :<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Not totally exact, Vanish. My tests proved that time info is somewhat send by the server:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - On Singularity AND Second Life viewer (where timezone was supposed to be hard-coded), it shows PDT in my grid,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> and PST in OSGrid<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> -> So, times is cleary sent by the server. For viewers listening to that info.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - Imprudence has a setting to choose between PSD/PDT or GMT. If set to PST/PDT, i still get the same difference<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> between OSGrid and mine<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> -> fallback to same conclusion (and imprudence should probably replace "PST/PDT" by "in-world time" or something<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> like that)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - If I HG to another grid, my viewer keeps the time from my login grid<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> -> time is set at login time, depending on login server settings<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> - In the source code I see at some place that the daylight setting is evaluated.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> -> maybe only the use of DST can be set on server<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Same question is still left: how?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> -> maybe just because osgrid auth server runs on a machine where DST is disabled?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> And it raise a second question: who should adjust this settings, me, or OSGrid?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> No kidding: I just checked in Second Life, and time is PDT now, there.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> And I noticed several times that when we're in doubt, SL is often the reference.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> --<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://www.speculoos.net/">http://www.speculoos.net/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="secondlife://speculoos.net:8002/">secondlife://speculoos.net:8002/</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Speculoos, the belgian cookie-flavored metaverse<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Le 18 avr. 2012 à 17:50, Vanish a écrit :<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> The time is a viewer service, and Imprudence is the only one I know that allows you to change the timezone to UTC<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> (optionally) all others display PST (or "Second-Life-time", as it's come to be called).<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> I've looked at but not found a solution!<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Just noted: for a same instance of OpenSimulator (standalone), Imprudence displays UTC time and Viewer 3<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> displays PST.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> GCI<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> ----- Original Message -----<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> From: Gudule Lapointe<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:36 PM<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Subject: [Opensim-users] Timezone<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> How can I setup grid or region time 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