<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I am not quite sure about the detailed protocol between server and client for animation, so I would be happy if someone smarter on this field can confirm or correct...</div><div><br></div><div>What I am sure is </div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>- client can play the animation if it's included in the client software or sent by the server</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>- script can send the animation only if it's inside the prim where the script resides.</div><div>That is: first steps needed to animate an avatar</div><div><br></div><div>After the avatar has confirmed and accepted the animation, there is a protocol, which is certainly more complicate, to deploy this animation to other viewers, (exchange of UUID / animations, updates on moves, whatever…). But it would occur only once the avatar has confirmed it can handle the animation </div><div><br></div><div>So, it sounds logical to me that the avatar can be animated only if it's own client owns the animation.</div><div><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>Le 6 mars 2012 à 03:46, satguru p srivastava a écrit :</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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I guess I must be dense :(<br>
I still do not get it.<br>
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Below is how I think the animation system works.<br>
Let me know where I am wrong.<br>
I have a Avatar or a NPC with an attachment.<br>
The attachment has script which plays an animation using an
animation function like llStartAnimation().<br>
Now like any other script, the script when triggered, will run on
the server side. (Right ?)<br>
When the server encounters the animation function the server will
send a message to the client asking it to play an animation with
that UUID<br>
If the client has an animation with that UUID it will animate the
Avatar or NPC with that animation else it will ask the server to
send the animation and will animate when it receives it.<br>
If the animation is internal animation and if it is, as you say,
part of the client then the client already has it and should be
able to animate the Avatar/NPC<br>
<br>
Sorry to belabor this but it seems I am obviously missing a major
concept and would like to figure out what :))<br>
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Thanks<br>
Sat<br>
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On 3/5/2012 7:55 PM, Gudule Lapointe wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:5C16ACB6-7AC9-4E8A-8D0C-FE76C458107C@spekuloos.be" type="cite">Obviously, everything runs on client side, that's the
point of a client ;-)
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<div>I think what was meant is that internal animations are part
of the client, not loaded from server.</div>
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<div>As your NPC is not controlled by a client, it doesn't have
these animations at disposal, unless you put them in your
script's prim.</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Garmin,<br>
<br>
Thanks for pointing out the BVH files.<br>
121 files!!<br>
A bit of a pain uploading them :)<br>
You also loose the per bone priorites which you get with
internal/default animations.<br>
Also I am assuming that user loaded animations are not as
efficient as internal ones. Right?<br>
<br>
I am still curious why the internal animations do not
play.<br>
As far as I know all animations run on client side.<br>
The triggers for animation can come from client side
(example when a users presses a key to make the avatar
walk)<br>
or from server side (example when if it is being called
from script).<br>
NPCs animations are triggered from scripts.<br>
How is this different from Avatar animations being
triggered from scripts ?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Sat<br>
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On 3/5/2012 5:34 AM, Garmin Kawaguichi wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">True, Trinity! User
Playable Internal Animations are serverside; you
cannot use them with NPCs but...</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">... the BVH files
corresponding to the Internal Animation are at : </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://static-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/avatar/bvh_files.zip">http://static-secondlife-com.s3.amazonaws.com/downloads/avatar/bvh_files.zip</a></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">as it is specified in
the SL Wiki : <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Internal_Animations">http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Internal_Animations</a></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">GCI</font></div>
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font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="trinity93@gmail.com" href="mailto:trinity93@gmail.com">Trinity</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday,
March 05, 2012 6:58 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Opensim-users] NPC and internal Animations</div>
Because some animations are built into the viewer and
npcs dont use a viewer and perhaps for security
reasons. Im not really completely sure to be honest.<br>
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