<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Then you should have started a new thread, rather than hijacking this one. You know, there used to be a thing called nettiquette.<br><br>-ste</div><div><br>On Aug 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Wayne <<a href="mailto:lppwayne@gmail.com">lppwayne@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>Hi Diva,<br>
I''ve been running the diva version of opensim for a week now and kudos to you for a simple setup and solid config.<br>
I am having trouble in one area though and that is in getting the groups module working. Nothing had worked and I am caught in the confirmation screen over and over-the group never creates, no record in database, nothing.<br>
Can you please offer an example of how the setup should look for groups and what and where should files be?<br>
Thank you.<br>
I know this Has nothing to do with this thread but I saw your name and jumped to ask this question.</p>
<p>Wayne</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 20, 2011 12:06 PM, "Diva Canto" <<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com"><a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com">diva@metaverseink.com</a></a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> Let me rephrase your question: can you start with a standalone and a <br>
> MySQL DB, and add more simulator servers running standalones [connected <br>> to that same DB] to obtain a grid? The answer is yes -- that's a <br>> serverless grid ("serverless" means that it runs without the Robust or <br>
> other resource server(s) in between the simulators and the DB server). <br>> It doesn't work with the configuration that comes out-of-the-box for <br>> standalones, but it's just a matter of changing a few connectors for <br>
> this configuration in the .inis.<br>> I use use such configuration on my grids.<br>> <br>> On 8/19/2011 6:28 PM, Guardian wrote:<br>>> This then leads to the question, can a standalone be changed over to grid?<br>
>> If you use a mysql backend for the standalone, can it just be changed <br>>> over to grid in the configs?<br>>><br>>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:52 AM, Diva Canto <<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com"><a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com">diva@metaverseink.com</a></a> <br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com"><a href="mailto:diva@metaverseink.com">diva@metaverseink.com</a></a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> See basic definitions here, which is the model that has been<br>>> guiding OpenSim development for a while:<br>
>> <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Virtual_World_Model"><a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Virtual_World_Model">http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Virtual_World_Model</a></a><br>>><br>>> In principle, the concept of grid is orthogonal to the concept of<br>
>> simulator trust domain. In practice, and in the vast majority of<br>>> cases, they are unified (i.e. 1 grid = 1 trust domain), but in a<br>>> few but famous cases, they aren't -- that's the case of OSGrid,<br>
>> which is a grid with several simulator trust domains in it. If the<br>>> concept of "simulator trust domain" is too abstract, substitute<br>>> the expression "multiple simulator trust domains" by "connecting<br>
>> someone else's simulator to a grid".<br>>><br>>> Technically, what makes a grid being a grid is having multiple<br>>> simulator servers serving different portions of the virtual space,<br>
>> instead of just one simulator server -- that's all. One can run a<br>>> grid with an external resource server (Robust, Simian) or without,<br>>> using only simulator servers and a shared DB; the latter<br>
>> configuration is what I call serverless grids:<br>>> <a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Serverless_Grids"><a href="http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Serverless_Grids">http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Serverless_Grids</a></a> -- that article is<br>>> outdated, but it explains the concept.<br>
>><br>>> When there are multiple simulators (=grid), whether the simulators<br>>> are operated by the same authority or decentralized by several<br>>> authorities is a different issue. For example, the Avination grid<br>
>> and the SL grid are each operated entirely by one authority; the<br>>> OSGrid grid is operated by a multitude of authorities [that must<br>>> implicitly trust each other at the moment].<br>
>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On 8/19/2011 8:13 AM, Bob Wellman wrote:<br>>>> I have run Opensim both standalone as standalone and for the last<br>>>> three years PMgrid in grid mode so I understand the differences<br>
>>> very well.<br>>>><br>>>> However I can see where newcommers get confused when we talk<br>>>> about grids beings a collection of regions and then use the term<br>>>> "grid mode" to mean running using several servers or service<br>
>>> instances in collaberation to run a grid.<br>>>><br>>>> I have often wondered if it wouldnt be better to coin a different<br>>>> term for what we currently call grid mode to avoid confusion.<br>
>>> Maybe we could use Cooperative mode or Multi Service mode or<br>>>> Distributed mode to describe the alternative mode to Standalone.<br>>>> Something that better decribes the mode of operation rather than<br>
>>> "grid" which I think should be used just to describe the region<br>>>> arrangement. Just a thought!<br>>>><br>>>> When Intels DSG work hits mainstream (soon I hope) we will need<br>
>>> to distinguish grids that run using the current central<br>>>> Robust.exe(s) and one or more Opensim.exe instances (i.e. what we<br>>>> now call "Grid mode") to those that run the new even more<br>
>>> Distrubuted services provided by DSG.<br>>>><br>>>> Getting good clear terminology for mdes of operation defined now<br>>>> would help a lot in future I think.<br>>>><br>
>>> Like I say just my thoughts. Any one else have thoughts on this?<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:11:25 +0100<br>>>> > From: <a href="mailto:t.gildersleeve@bradfordcollege.ac.uk"><a href="mailto:t.gildersleeve@bradfordcollege.ac.uk">t.gildersleeve@bradfordcollege.ac.uk</a></a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:t.gildersleeve@bradfordcollege.ac.uk"><a href="mailto:t.gildersleeve@bradfordcollege.ac.uk">t.gildersleeve@bradfordcollege.ac.uk</a></a>><br>>>> > To: <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a></a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a></a>><br>>>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Awaiting region handshake<br>>>> ><br>
>>> > Thanks for the clarification Diva, me jumping in too quickly I<br>>>> guess.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > I didn't think a standalone accepted region registration<br>
>>> requests from<br>>>> > other opensim.exe's, but that you needed robust.exe to accept<br>>>> > registrations from other opensim.exe's. I know that opensim.exe<br>>>> > handles all the services when in standalone - but thought it<br>
>>> was "cut<br>>>> > down" and didn't support external region registrations. I take<br>>>> it from<br>>>> > what you say it can do that? I've never even tried tbh.<br>
>>> ><br>>>> > What you say about owners not supporting ad-hoc regions being<br>>>> connected<br>>>> > is of course true but that is a policy issue and enforced by<br>
>>> firewall<br>>>> > rules. As far as I am aware robust.exe WILL accept a registration<br>>>> > request from other opensim.exe's if the port to it is left open. Of<br>>>> > course, I may well be wrong with that but when I asked about<br>
>>> this before<br>>>> > (if there was any way to stop people registering with my grid -<br>>>> I was<br>>>> > told I had to block the port and that would be the way to do it).<br>
>>> ><br>>>> > -----Original Message-----<br>>>> > From: <a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a></a><br>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a></a>><br>
>>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a></a>] On Behalf Of<br>>>> Diva Canto<br>>>> > Sent: 18 August 2011 20:56<br>
>>> > To: <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a></a><br>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a></a>><br>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Awaiting region handshake<br>>>> ><br>>>> > > I believe you can create as many regions as you like in a<br>>>> standalone<br>
>>> > > but you are the only person that can go there I have created<br>>>> both and<br>>>> > > to have other ppl come to visit you need to be a grid<br>>>> ><br>
>>> > This is not correct. Standalones can handle users from anywhere<br>>>> in the<br>>>> > world, as long as the routers are configured for that.<br>>>> ><br>
>>> > > Basically, a standalone does not allow others to connect<br>>>> their region<br>>>> > > to your simulator, while a grid does. This has nothing to do<br>>>> with<br>
>>> > > people visiting it.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > This is also not correct.<br>>>> > Most grids are operated by one single organization/person and don't<br>
>>> > support the attachment of ad-hoc regions operated by others.<br>>>> OSGrid is<br>>>> > an exception in this respect.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > The difference between a standalone and a grid is simply the<br>
>>> number of<br>>>> > components (usually hardware) involved. A standalone has all<br>>>> services<br>>>> > running in one single process in one single machine; a grid has<br>
>>> many<br>>>> > simulator processes, usually on different machines, and it<br>>>> typically<br>>>> > centralizes resource management in yet other machine(s).<br>
>>> ><br>>>> > So if you just want a small world with a few thousand objects<br>>>> in world<br>>>> > at any given time, stay with a standalone; if you plan to scale<br>
>>> up, look<br>>>> > into the grid configuration.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>>> > Opensim-users mailing list<br>
>>> > <a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a></a><br>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de"><a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a></a>><br>
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