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On 10/18/2010 05:20 AM, Stefan Andersson wrote:
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lang="EN-US">Excellent post. So good in fact, that I will hijack it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">If there are people that have tried (and failed) to use
“prebuild
/target monodev” to build and work with opensim, I would be interested
to hear
about it. Afaicr at some point in time (years ago, when we first
introduced
prebuild) we did get it to work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de">mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>dz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> den 14 oktober 2010 19:59<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] Why not a real OS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Folks,<br>
<br>
Not to add to the religious fervor.... but there's a couple
things that are just NOT right about letting the mis-information slide.<br>
<br>
It's very popular for proponents of each side to wave magic metrics and
declare
victory in a race that could have just begun. People
don't come to this list to ask your opinion about Linux vs.Windows IN
GENERAL, they want to know what easiest with OpenSim.<br>
<br>
Its extremely disappointing to me to see that discussion drown out by
the
"know-it-alls" spewing their answers.<br>
<br>
OpenSim uses .NET as a platform, as such, If you intend to RUN
OpenSim,
you can do it either as a native .NET application under windows, or on
non-windows OS using the open-source MONO environment. <br>
<br>
Among the advantages of using Windows servers:<br>
Historically, it has provided better operating performance
for regions.<br>
Most of the developers seem to be prefer the Microsoft
toolchain.<br>
There are no threats of c## "subterfuge" by MS (
the risk of these seems very small)<br>
<br>
Among the advantages of Mono OS independence:<br>
Wider range of server platforms ( via OS and hardware
independence )<br>
Like all smaller free software efforts, the best way to
support it is to USE it and make it better<br>
<br>
If you select MONO based server platforms, it will pay for you to do
your
homework on your selection. Contrary to prior posts, many of the
popular
Linux releases (UBUNTU in particular) are notorious for NOT supporting
the latest release of MONO. That is not to say that you cannot build
the
latest version of MONO, but the "regular" repositories of supported
software won't have it. All religious preferences aside, If
you want to pick a linux distro with the latest and greatest MONO has
to
provide I would recommend you go to the Novell SuSe
distribution. <br>
<br>
There are always arguments on both sides of the questions that touch
the
religion wars off. For me, in this project, the most telling sign that
Windows is the "preference" of the core developers is that
there is still little or no support for the MONOdevelope IDE. Make and
build on Linux from source still depends on the old-school command line
tools. Lots of people are comfortable enough with their Linux skills
to
cope with that requirement.. <br>
<br>
Personally, I'm one of the "irrational" believers that we vote
loudest with our actions, so I pay to host linux machines for our
internal
OpenSim development machines, and generally make it known I prefer NOT
to pay
Microsoft whenever that option presents itself. Your Satisfaction
is not guaranteed by adopting that plan :)<br>
<br>
D.<br>
<br>
<br>
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<br>
Prebuild was getting a little dated for monodevelop and our build
system didn't produce proper solution files for monodevelop. Therfore
monodevelop got a bad rap as being a hack, half implemented, etc. . So,
I reworked our build system a little bit, adding some patches upstream
to Prebuild.exe to provide proper solutions to our build system to
support both monodevelop and xbuild. <br>
<br>
Now monodevelop may be used as a fully working IDE for OpenSim,
debugger included. Also, xbuild for the command line works. And, Native
git support is slated for Monodevelop 2.6. I have never used the free
VS, but this might be a viable alternative for Windows users as well.<br>
<br>
Here are some notes about the updates and setting your addon-module
prebuild.xml files to work with the new system. These is also a small
python script to help with the migration. The link is here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bluewallvirtual.com/node/9">http://bluewallvirtual.com/node/9</a> . (Teravus got the search working on
opensimulator.org \o/ , I will try to update the site there with this
information when time allows.<br>
<br>
It is good that we are striving for platform neutrality. This allows a
person to use whatever tools are suited best for their abilities and
taste.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
BlueWall<br>
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