March 1st will be my 5th year as a player from SL This will be last day in SL as well. And three years ago, I started to just give stuff away. I realized there is no way to secure your items you try to sell in SL or in anything online social network now days. Not enough money in it and pirateers will always.. and I do mean ALWAYS find a way if they want it bad enough. The way I personally look at it, if you don't mind your stuff getting stolen then put it out there, otherwise your just wasting time trying to secure it.<div>
<br></div><div>Really after a while in the end the only services I sold was to make scripts for people and even teach it. And even that was not worth it after a while.<div><br></div><div>John<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Karen Palen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:karen_palen@yahoo.com">karen_palen@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Justin,<br>
<br>
Thank you for that reference on several levels.<br>
<br>
I see Prokofy has not changed much and I for one am in the crowd that thinks OpenSim is worth the effort just to avoid his rantings LOL<br>
<br>
By background I am a Software Engineer and also a Patent Agent so I have some knowledge of these issues and the underlying dynamics of the law and society! As you can see these issues passionately interest me!<br>
<br>
The discussion does outline many of the very real issues facing every IP creator today and it is certainly a huge problem.<br>
<br>
I doubt if Second Life or OpenSim will be the forum to provide solutions to the problems raised though.<br>
<br>
Sadly many of the issues go far beyond MetaWorlds and there are quite a few nuances that are not yet important but eventually will be.<br>
<br>
As many of the more thoughtful commenters have observed, there are no simple solutions. Some "bounds" to the problem do appear to present themselves.<br>
<br>
One of these "bounds" is that creators of content clearly deserve some "reasonable" compensation (at some level) for their efforts.<br>
<br>
"Reasonable" being one of those words which lawyers spend their entire careers debating!<br>
<br>
In the current context though I think it is important to establish some sort of test which would establish the actual creator.<br>
<br>
At the moment all we have is the unsupported word of the supposed "creator" and some very suspicious looking images.<br>
<br>
The other thing that is lacking is some sort of standard to evaluate the evidence and someone to perform that function.<br>
<br>
Mob rule and vigilante justice will only make the problem worse.<br>
<br>
Anyway thanks for the thoughtful reference, it is good to know that others are thinking seriously about solutions rather than reacting in a blind panic!<br>
<br>
Karen<br>
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--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Justin Clark-Casey <<a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> From: Justin Clark-Casey <<a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a>><br>
</div>> Subject: [Opensim-users] [Fwd: Re: Speaking of Content Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?]<br>
> To: "OpenSim Users Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a>><br>
> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 4:21 PM<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">> Oops, sorry - I meant the first<br>
> comment on the second page.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2010/01/why-i-never-go-over-to-opensim/comments/page/2/#comments" target="_blank">http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2010/01/why-i-never-go-over-to-opensim/comments/page/2/#comments</a><br>
><br>
> -------- Original Message --------<br>
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Speaking of Content<br>
> Theft, How About Our Own Backyard?<br>
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:20:11 +0000<br>
> From: Justin Clark-Casey <<a href="mailto:jjustincc@googlemail.com">jjustincc@googlemail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
> References: <<a href="mailto:81dc9e651002231409r5dc445b5lbf5bedadc212441b@mail.gmail.com">81dc9e651002231409r5dc445b5lbf5bedadc212441b@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>
> Len Brown wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I wonder if Lilith Heart, who has<br>
> made her fortune selling an<br>
> > endless variety of absolutely beautiful plants in<br>
> Second Life knows that<br>
> > her years of devoted and hard work have been cleanly<br>
> ripped and<br>
> > presented all over OSGrid? And in what probably<br>
> amounted to a couple<br>
> > hours of image ripping and XML exporting...<br>
><br>
> In this case, it appears that Lilith imported the content<br>
> herself. See the first comment at<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2010/01/why-i-never-go-over-to-opensim.html" target="_blank">http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2010/01/why-i-never-go-over-to-opensim.html</a><br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Sadly, there's not a single thing<br>
> she can do. Which is why, though<br>
> > I happily imported my entire furniture and building<br>
> collection into<br>
> > OpenSim, not a single piece of it is (yet) available<br>
> to the general<br>
> > public on OSGrid. I eventually plan to make it<br>
> all available, but the<br>
> > simple fact is, when I do, it will immediately be<br>
> ripped to shreds and<br>
> > will be found spread out all over the grid. Not<br>
> such a bad thing to one<br>
> > degree since the furniture is all very highly<br>
> detailed, but it will<br>
> > surely put a very resoundingly obvious period at the<br>
> end of my virtual<br>
> > business endeavors. In other words, I don't see<br>
> a penny from it.<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > - Len W. Brown<br>
> > <a href="mailto:lenwbrown@gmail.com">lenwbrown@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lenwbrown@gmail.com">lenwbrown@gmail.com</a>><br>
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