Ahh you understand my past experiences.. hahaha<div><br></div><div>Good show man...</div><div><br></div><div>And I will repeat your last words.. unless your just practicing, don't use windows. Its too over bloated and too many processes are needed to run it. Those extra processes are needed to keep OpenSim running smoothly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And for those who are new, do not underestimate those TWO cache files that come with OpenSim. Study those. They are your friends. :-)</div><div>John<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Impalah Shenzhou <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:impalah@gmail.com">impalah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>I arrive late, as usual :-)<br></div><div><br></div><div>When a region has around 12000 primitives, with a db server on the same machine you will have hell on earth or something like that.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Boot up time is around 10 minutes and is impossible to do anything but using zoom. Impossible to move.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I have tested this with 3 machines (4Gb ram, 500Gb hd RAID, Intel Core Duo 1,73, Intel Core duo 2,3 and amd64) running windows XP, Vista and Windows 7-64 bits.</div><div><br></div><div>I was using grid mode (grid server on separate computer... no ROBUST or UGAIM, it uses a PHP ugaim system).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Separating Mysql to another machine on the same local network (100 Mbps nc) I could move, build, and even another avatar could enter.</div><div><br></div><div>Exporting db and running it on separate server with Linux (ubuntu server 9.04) I could fill the region with 5000 more prims and 2 avatars could work smooth.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Running opensim on Linux (amd64, 4gb ram, ubuntu server 9.04 64 bits) and db on separate linux server 2 avatars could work smoothly and filling the region with 25000 prims (no simple prims, but different sizes, texturized and scripted).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway, that were my "home" experiences... My conclusion: separate db, don't use windows.</div><div><br></div><div>Greetings</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2010/2/16 Steve <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steveamigauk@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">steveamigauk@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Thank you, although this doesn't tie in to my bandwidth usage reports :/<br>
<br>
I have 60Gig peak, 240 Gig off peak allowance with my provider
download. No limit upload. I have had the sim up and running for a week
24/7 (one region only - and 24/7 apart from a OpenSimulator version
upgrade and the odd restart), using my net connection as normal on my
main PC.<br>
<br>
My usage for 1 - 15 Feb is 11.78 Gig D/L (which includes 3 Gig HD vid
from BBC iPlayer) and 2 Gig upload.<br>
<br>
I was interested in the OP question because I have a SQL server sat on
my web hosts servers doing nada, but it looks like I will gain neither
performance nor speed by trying to use it, nor will I save any
bandwidth.<br>
<br>
This is a real learning experience.<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
Steve</font><div><div><br>
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On 16/02/2010 8:15 PM, John Mieske wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Oh I might add, that is 20 - 40KBytes Upload one way and
20 - 80 KB download one way. I thought I would meantion that.
<div>John<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, John Mieske
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnmieske@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnmieske@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">here
is an example of what happened to me on a few Grids I have tested. Per
AV I am uploading / downloading roughly 40KBytes a second. Not kBits.
That is full load with everything going on. So I am giving the most I
have seen in this case. That is roughly 320 KBit upload and download
just for one avatar. So in theory, you should be able to push less then
40K IF your avatars are not really doing all of what they want them to.
Example : Voice.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So with a 1 Meg upload, your looking at around 3 Avatars
smoothly. If your going to go with 2 Meg Upload which some of us have,
then your could go to about 7 Avatars smoothly. Again, this is all
dependant on what your USERS are doing. If all are building and in
Voice all at once, then 1 Meg = 3 Avatars smoothly.</div>
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</div>
<div>Keep in mind, this is a test I did myself on 5 Grids I have
tested. Each with different ISPs. So if your going to run a Grid you
also have to account that the region that ties into your main region
ALSO has to accomodate for the extra communication between each region
that is not on the same computer / ISP. AND they are constantly 24 / 7
communicating. So if you have a bandwidth limit, you could be in
trouble. At a Previous version of Sim world, we had 500 Megabytes
transfer for about a weeks worth of time. And that is with only 8
regions and VERY little activity. The limit ? 1 Terribyte. So in one
week, we ate up half our bandwidth limit. ( Thats all the HOST allowed
at the time )</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bottom line, you MUST do the math to see if this is even
possible to keep running before spending a lot of money.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color="#888888">John</font>
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Steve <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steveamigauk@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">steveamigauk@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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So out of interest, what are the upload limits per avatar for example.
I have just shy of 1 Mb upload speed, and have happily accommodated 8
Avatars (after one in particular who was throwing up masses of errors
left). How far could I, in theory, push it?<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Steve</font>
<div>
<div><br>
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On 15/02/2010 11:00 PM, Ken G. wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Alright, thanks Daz for answering my
question and thanks
to John and Master_Mirage for the input. I am just a hobby user of
opensim, connected to OSGrid, hoping that maybe there was a way to
improve my mediocre connection :)<br>
<br>
Ken aka Key<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM, John
Mieske <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:johnmieske@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnmieske@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">I
have
to agree with Darren here. If your doing this at home, you might
as well have both on the same computer. Your internet in general will
dictate what you can do. So if your running this at home, hang up the
idea of two computer region serving because no one will see a
difference when they already bogg down from a slow internet connection
to your region. I have seen some Regions who run them at home with the
best of intentions only shut down days later because they realize their
internet only allowed 2 avatars to run smoothly. When they got to 3,
their sim started to crash. It is all about your upload speed. However,
if you got a FAT PIPE ( not to smoke hahaha ) then yea you definitely
might want to try the way I suggested. Again everything in OpenSim is
based on HOW you run your Grid / Regions. Nothing is 100% set one way.
I only offered a suggestion to those who could use this benefit. And
there are already some servers that has been setup this way and they
are smooth.
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font color="#888888">John<br>
<br>
</font>
<div class="gmail_quote">
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<div>On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Darren Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:darren@dmmhosting.co.uk" target="_blank">darren@dmmhosting.co.uk</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ken G asked:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dumb question from a casual opensim
user who
is not fully
clued in on it's workings, that popped into my head after reading John
Mieske's
Space Grid Station post:<br>
<br>
Is it feasible and sensible while running opensim on a home PC
connection to be
able to use a MySQL database on a shared web hosting server, such as
Hostgator
for example? If possible, would this type of setup improve performance
of a
lightly used standalone or grid-connected sim? <br>
I haven't put much thought into this idea, just wanted to blurt it out
and see
if it's worth pursuing.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Ken,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">You shouldn’t
receive any benefit at all doing the above.
In fact it will probably make things worse.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">If I’m reading this
right then the region server which you
have running locally would then be pulling/pushing the data from across
the net
on the mysql server, back to your machine. It would probably run worse.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Daz</span></p>
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