<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">
<style>
<!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>One way to go about it could be to make sure the oar is subdivided
into parcels when storing it; if so, one would probably backup the whole oar,
but be able to restore only parts of the oar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have only used oars for full backup, so I don’t know if the
parcel info is already stored in it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>/Stefan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de
[mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Len Brown<br>
<b>Sent:</b> den 21 november 2009 09:20<br>
<b>To:</b> opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I am tempted to say that
individual parcel backups is not a good idea. If one is building on a
parcel, as opposed to a full region, then simply maintaining copies of their
items in their inventory should be adequate.<br>
<br>
Parcels come in so many sizes and making a backup would require the new parcel
for a restore would have to be identical in dimensions. So this can be
very complex if you have a parcel that, for example, lies along a road so the
side of your parcel is angular. Or if you have an odd-shaped parcel or a
combination of parcels that are separated by other parcels you do not own.<br>
<br>
Backing up a region is simple enough given the standard dimensions, even when
dealing with megaregions, which are really just a combination of multiple
"regular" regions of standard size.<br>
<br>
So I feel that backing up personal parcels should remain the process of
maintaining items in your personal inventory and making a backup of THAT rather
than the parcel area itself.<br>
<br>
- Len W. Brown<br>
<a href="mailto:lenwbrown@gmail.com">lenwbrown@gmail.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Karen Palen <<a
href="mailto:karen_palen@yahoo.com">karen_palen@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Just a thought, but with the economics of OpenSim being
totally different from Second Life, I wonder if we will end up with hundreds of
tiny parcels in each region?<br>
<br>
It seems to me that there are several issues here concerning changes in parcel
size/location between backup and restore as well as some
ownership/covenant/zoning issues.<br>
<br>
As I think about the problem I am not sure I (or anyone else) can fully
articulate even the nature of those issues since they depend heavily on the
direction that OpenSim development and implementation takes.<br>
<br>
Just the same we do need to consider them as best we can lest we fall into some
of the same traps as Second Life (content ownership, banking debacle, and
gambling come to mind).<br>
<br>
Karen<br>
<br>
--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Robert Klein <<a href="mailto:rtkwebman@gmail.com">rtkwebman@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> From: Robert Klein <<a href="mailto:rtkwebman@gmail.com">rtkwebman@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Parcel Archiver?<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 6:09 PM<br>
><br>
> Hey Justin,<br>
><br>
> Yes that is correct, just archive a single parcel on a<br>
> region. Whatever is<br>
> in the parcel gets put into the PAR file. Can it be done?<br>
><br>
> -Robert<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>><br>
><br>
> justincc wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Robert Klein wrote:<br>
> >> We have a OAR for regions and a IAR for inventory<br>
> but what about a PAR<br>
> >> for<br>
> >> doing parcel area archiving? It would be an easy<br>
> way to dedicate one<br>
> >> subdivided parcel area for bringing things in and<br>
> out of OpenSims that<br>
> >> either use the mega region or just have a single<br>
> region that is<br>
> >> subdivided.<br>
> >> Also the beauty of this would be in the future if<br>
> you have renters or<br>
> >> event<br>
> >> spaces you can keep backups of just those spaces.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > I'm not too sure if I get exactly what you mean. <br>
> Are you talking about<br>
> > archiving just the contents of a single parcel on a<br>
> region?<br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > justincc<br>
> > Justin Clark-Casey<br>
> > <a href="http://justincc.org" target="_blank">http://justincc.org</a><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > Opensim-users mailing list<br>
> > <a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
> > <a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users"
target="_blank">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> --<br>
> View this message in context: <a
href="http://n2.nabble.com/Parcel-Archiver-tp4008165p4040934.html"
target="_blank">http://n2.nabble.com/Parcel-Archiver-tp4008165p4040934.html</a><br>
> Sent from the opensim-users mailing list archive at<br>
> Nabble.com.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>> _______________________________________________<br>
> Opensim-users mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
> <a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users"
target="_blank">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Opensim-users mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users"
target="_blank">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>