<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>As I recall, we do have an IRC module, but it has fallen out of interest in testing in recent months. Perhaps we need two strategies.<br><br>The first might be to start testing the IRC module again and work on its problems.The issue with the IRC module has been that it decreases stability in the region and the region freezes. Also, some have a problem with the extremely long prefixes it generates. <br><br>It may be that our IRC module actually works better then we perceive, but since no one is using it, we just dont know anymore.<br><br>The second might be to use that module as a model for an XMPP module.<br><br>Charles<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font size="2"
face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Ralf Haifisch <ralf@ralf-haifisch.biz><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 5, 2009 4:28:02 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Opensim-users] Groups Implementation Discussion (Ai Austin)<br></font><br>
Dear Charles,<br><br><br>That is where i did like your XMPP approach. <br><br>I guess the rex-chaps can tell a bit more about their experience, they have<br>been playing around with telepathy framework.<br><br>My thought was:<br>- diving functionality into security groups (collaboration) and distribution<br>groups (communication)<br>- doing security groups "SL style" to enable as much user as possible the<br>migration SL --> open source<br> While still having the ability to e.g. introduce "super groups" (group in<br>group) for new viewer.<br>- doing distribution groups with jabber etc... <br> Means new viewer (maybe realxtend) whil have this ability build in - but<br>everyone could use a stand alone<br> Client. Event without a viewer, like IRC. Use it on travel/at work.<br>Pass the firewall via http wrapping.<br><br><br>I thought this would be a nice step towards future, while still keeping the<br>sl-viewer
user aboard for a while (let say, next 6 month are important)<br><br>So: 100% agreed targets with moving on... I am a strong 3D web enthusiast<br><br>Cheers,<br>Ralf<br><br>------------------------------<br><br><br>Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT)<br>From: Charles Krinke <<a ymailto="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Groups Implementation Discussion (Ai<br> Austin)<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:543825.29055.qm@web82603.mail.mud.yahoo.com" href="mailto:543825.29055.qm@web82603.mail.mud.yahoo.com">543825.29055.qm@web82603.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Dear Ralf:<br><br>Yes, I have similar joy and angst at each of these discussions
and<br>decisions. <br><br>I think the value we can bring on this mailing list is to express some ideas<br>in a helpful way as you have done. By doing this, we can influence the<br>thoughts in a positive direction of those, like Adam, and others, who are<br>implementing group stuff right now.<br><br>Having some legacy connection to our hated (and beloved) SecondLife is<br>important.<br><br>But, ... of equal importance, is figuring out how to move off into the<br>future with some changes that will be of more long term benefit as we get<br>closer to the 3D internet.<br><br>Charles<br><br><br><br><br>________________________________<br>From: Ralf Haifisch <<a ymailto="mailto:ralf@ralf-haifisch.biz" href="mailto:ralf@ralf-haifisch.biz">ralf@ralf-haifisch.biz</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 1:12:55
PM<br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Groups Implementation Discussion (Ai Austin)<br><br>+1<br><br>It is very important to use a intelligent open framework AND NOT any<br>Approach that needs fixed ports etc. like the stone old voice in SL.<br><br>I did discuss that with lindens and lost the only realy interested company <br>while the hype time (3D is only a 0,1% of my Rl job atm) because the<br>implemented<br>technology was not acceptable from a firewall/routing perspective. It is<br>nice<br>for single user or organization with not governance needs.<br><br>So it must by (from transport) something that is a holepuncher, similar to<br>skype.<br><br>Using https-tunnel e.g. <br><br>Maybe it would be a nice chance to do the security groups "SL style", so one<br>with a SL viewer could build/interact inworld.<br><br>But if we use Jabber/XXMP for the communication part, a SL client would only<br>be limited In group communication - BUT could still use
a second software<br>able to talk that protocol. <br><br>Wouldn?t brake compatibility where it hurts.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Ralf<br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:32:00 +0100<br>From: Ai Austin <<a ymailto="mailto:ai.ai.austin@googlemail.com" href="mailto:ai.ai.austin@googlemail.com">ai.ai.austin@googlemail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Groups Implementation Discussion<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:49d72910.0567f10a.0f80.730d@mx.google.com" href="mailto:49d72910.0567f10a.0f80.730d@mx.google.com">49d72910.0567f10a.0f80.730d@mx.google.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed<br><br>Charles Krinke <<a ymailto="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net"
href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a>> wrote:<br>>... I suppose we could go in the IRC or XMPP/Jabber direction,<br><br><br>I would really encourage a Jabber/XMPP approach for group (and indeed <br>individual) which open up all sorts of opportunities to link to <br>external messengers, buddy systems with geo-location (think of the <br>9opportuinities for in world visualisation of collaborative and <br>distributed teams), intelligent communications things too. Ai<br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Opensim-users mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br><a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users" target="_blank">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><br></div></div></div></body></html>