<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear Ralf:<br><br>Yes, I have similar joy and angst at each of these discussions and decisions. <br><br>I think the value we can bring on this mailing list is to express some ideas in a helpful way as you have done. By doing this, we can influence the thoughts in a positive direction of those, like Adam, and others, who are implementing group stuff right now.<br><br>Having some legacy connection to our hated (and beloved) SecondLife is important.<br><br>But, ... of equal importance, is figuring out how to move off into the future with some changes that will be of more long term benefit as we get closer to the 3D internet.<br><br>Charles<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font size="2"
face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Ralf Haifisch <ralf@ralf-haifisch.biz><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, April 4, 2009 1:12:55 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Opensim-users] Groups Implementation Discussion (Ai Austin)<br></font><br>
+1<br><br>It is very important to use a intelligent open framework AND NOT any<br>Approach that needs fixed ports etc. like the stone old voice in SL.<br><br>I did discuss that with lindens and lost the only realy interested company <br>while the hype time (3D is only a 0,1% of my Rl job atm) because the<br>implemented<br>technology was not acceptable from a firewall/routing perspective. It is<br>nice<br>for single user or organization with not governance needs.<br><br>So it must by (from transport) something that is a holepuncher, similar to<br>skype.<br><br>Using https-tunnel e.g. <br><br>Maybe it would be a nice chance to do the security groups "SL style", so one<br>with a SL viewer could build/interact inworld.<br><br>But if we use Jabber/XXMP for the communication part, a SL client would only<br>be limited In group communication - BUT could still use a second software<br>able to talk that protocol. <br><br>Wouldn´t brake
compatibility where it hurts.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Ralf<br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:32:00 +0100<br>From: Ai Austin <<a ymailto="mailto:ai.ai.austin@googlemail.com" href="mailto:ai.ai.austin@googlemail.com">ai.ai.austin@googlemail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Groups Implementation Discussion<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:49d72910.0567f10a.0f80.730d@mx.google.com" href="mailto:49d72910.0567f10a.0f80.730d@mx.google.com">49d72910.0567f10a.0f80.730d@mx.google.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed<br><br>Charles Krinke <<a ymailto="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a>> wrote:<br>>... I suppose we could go in the IRC or XMPP/Jabber
direction,<br><br><br>I would really encourage a Jabber/XMPP approach for group (and indeed <br>individual) which open up all sorts of opportunities to link to <br>external messengers, buddy systems with geo-location (think of the <br>9opportuinities for in world visualisation of collaborative and <br>distributed teams), intelligent communications things too. Ai<br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Opensim-users mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br><a href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users" target="_blank">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><br></div></div></div></body></html>