<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">+1 to those comments. <br><br>We also can develope a lot faster and easier if we know that trunk is being used as it should be. As a place to do development, knowing that sometimes what we do will cause new problems rather than fix older problems in opensim. <br><br>Trunk isn't a daily release system for people wanting stable versions. Its great that lots of people run it to help test and debug opensim. But it shouldn't be used when people don't want to take all the risks that come with it. <br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/4/09, Frisby, Adam <i><adam@deepthink.com.au></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Frisby, Adam <adam@deepthink.com.au><br>Subject: RE: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly stretched<br>To: "opensim-users@lists.berlios.de"
<opensim-users@lists.berlios.de>, "michaelwri22@yahoo.co.uk" <michaelwri22@yahoo.co.uk><br>Date: Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 1:34 PM<br><br><pre>Diverting from the topic at hand - I would like to strongly point this out.<br>Please, please, PLEASE use a release, or a postfixes branch if you are running<br>OpenSim in a semi-production or production environment.<br><br>While this was a prank, sooner or later, we're going to have something like<br>a full blown exploit, or DB crashing bug, or similar. You are a lot safer in a<br>somewhat tested and confirmed stable branch than you are on trunk.<br><br>Trunk is very much an 'at risk' environment, and people putting OpenSim<br>into production need to be aware of this fact. If nothing else, this prank has<br>given the opportunity to highlight the importance of sticking to a tagged<br>release for production work.<br><br>Adam<br><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From:
opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-users-<br>> bounces@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Ursula MATOVA<br>> Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 5:25 AM<br>> To: michaelwri22@yahoo.co.uk; opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly stretched<br>> <br>> Totaly agree Michael,<br>> <br>> It's ok, OpenSim is still in alpha stage ...<br>> ... So, people contributing to this marvelous software are working very<br>> hard ...<br>> ... For me, that king of joke is ok ... it's funny :)<br>> People that want to make business with opensim MUST wait a bit for a<br>> "Beta"/"Production" release ...<br>> Specially because all people in the OpenSim community are working for<br>> free !<br>> <br>> Regards.<br>> <br>> PS: The only thing I'd like to know is "who" did that joke<br>:) (( just<br>> to<br>> take counter measure next year ... LOL
))<br>> <br>> MW a écrit :<br>> > I can understand your point and as I said we are sorry for any<br>> > problems this issue caused.<br>> ><br>> > But its just that comments like "Now to waste an hour of my<br>time<br>> > patching all my servers." that just make me wonder why "I<br>have wasted<br>> > all those thousands of hours working on opensim and doing all that<br>> > work for free". When what we get in return is people moaning<br>about<br>> > spending a hour on something.<br>> ><br>> > I'm just talking from a personal point of view here (and in no<br>way<br>> > represent the thoughts of the other developers), but its just makes<br>> me<br>> > more and more wonder why we do this.<br>> ><br>> > BTW: Just so people know, I believe the 0.6.4RC that Stefan tagged<br>> > also has this issue in it, but then thats most likely why its a RC<br>> and<br>>
> not a stable release.<br>> ><br>> > --- On *Wed, 1/4/09, Chris Hart /<Chris@codetorque.co.uk>/*<br>wrote:<br>> ><br>> > From: Chris Hart <Chris@codetorque.co.uk><br>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly<br>> stretched<br>> > To: michaelwri22@yahoo.co.uk, opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>> > Date: Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 11:46 AM<br>> ><br>> > Given that 0.6.3 was not a good release (avatar appearance<br>bugs),<br>> > I was hoping to wait for 0.6.4 for ReactionGrid and for our<br>> > clients. It was taking a while to tag, and I had identified a<br>> > stable revision that I had put through a lot of testing and made<br>> > the call based on running a significant test plan. Our database<br>> > (MSSQL) was over 5Gb, the change from 0.6.2 to 0.6.4 included a<br>> > major schema
change that meant the longer we left updating, the<br>> > longer (and harder) an update was gonna be. I made the call to<br>> > update us just before Stefan tagged the release – I didn’t<br>> > anticipate this particular outcome.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I will take full responsibility if there is a bug in opensim<br>code<br>> > that affects my clients that would have been prevented if I had<br>> > used a stable branch, but I do actually trust you guys too –<br>you<br>> > do great work, I read every commit log (evidently not thoroughly<br>> > enough) and I use my experience to make a call on whether a<br>> > breaking change has been put in or not. In this situation, what<br>> > would have been nice would have been a simple switch to return<br>to<br>> > normal. We saw the joke last night and yes, we fell about<br>>
> laughing, thinking it was a freaky occurrence on a highly-loaded<br>> > sim, never for one moment realising this was going to strike all<br>> > our servers today.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ReactionGrid is a young business, we’re pushing out there to<br>find<br>> > customers who are willing to go with us through the bumps, ride<br>> > the fun little features, because we really do believe in the<br>> > platform, even at this early stage. I didn’t start working<br>with<br>> > OpenSim til May last year, so I didn’t know this was likely to<br>> > happen.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > *From:* opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de<br>> > [mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de] *On Behalf Of<br>*MW<br>> > *Sent:* 01 April 2009 11:27<br>> > *To:*
opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>> > *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly<br>> > stretched<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > I understand that it has caused you problems and we are sorry<br>for<br>> > that but to be honest, its not a good idea to be running trunk<br>in<br>> > any production set up or for business use. Trunk is for<br>> > development and can be broke at any time.<br>> ><br>> > We do release "stable" tagged versions and we strongly<br>suggest<br>> > that anyone using opensim for business or production use sticks<br>> to<br>> > those. They all have their problems but trunk just can't be<br>> > depended on to be working/stable or anything.<br>> ><br>> > The only people who should be using trunk are developers,<br>testers<br>> > and people who want to try the very lastest
changes.<br>> ><br>> > All the developers work very hard for nothing in return so its a<br>> > small thing for some of us to put a small pank in TRUNK once a<br>> year.<br>> ><br>> > Again I do understand it has caused you some problems but we<br>> offer<br>> > all our work free and as I said we strongly advise people to use<br>> > the tagged versions.<br>> ><br>> > --- On *Wed, 1/4/09, Chris Hart<br>/<Chris@codetorque.co.uk>/*<br>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > From: Chris Hart <Chris@codetorque.co.uk><br>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly<br>> stretched<br>> > To: opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>> > Date: Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 9:12 AM<br>> ><br>> > Wow, you're kidding me?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > So, those of us trying to run a
business promoting OpenSim to<br>> pioneering<br>> ><br>> > business folks and educators who are VW newbies have to cancel<br>> all appointments<br>> ><br>> > because of a prank? "I'm sorry, this doesn't<br>normally happen,<br>> this<br>> ><br>> > is a prank"<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Thanks guys - didn't need this first thing today. So<br>what's the<br>> ><br>> > solution? Set all servers to April 2nd?<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Anyone who knows me knows I'm easy going and enjoy having<br>fun,<br>> but not when<br>> ><br>> > this affects my business, potential income, and hence my<br>> ><br>> > family.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > -----Original Message-----<br>> ><br>> > From:
opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de<br>> ><br>> > [mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of<br>> Frisby, Adam<br>> ><br>> > Sent: 01 April 2009 06:21<br>> ><br>> > To: opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>> ><br>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly<br>> stretched<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Yeah, I think it's the april fools joke. Blame Teravus. ;)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Adam<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > -----Original Message-----<br>> ><br>> > > From: opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de<br>[mailto:opensim-<br>> users-<br>> ><br>> > > bounces@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of John Sheridan<br>> ><br>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2009 9:07 PM<br>> ><br>> > >
To: opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>> ><br>> > > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly<br>> stretched<br>> ><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> > > Well, its not the clock not unless it triggered something<br>thats<br>> not<br>> ><br>> > > effected by rolling the clock back. As well its not Hippo<br>> since the<br>> ><br>> > > vanilla SL viewer is doing the same thing. Its also<br>> ><br>> > apparently not<br>> ><br>> > > fixed by updating to svn 8951. I'll go ahead and plug<br>this<br>> into<br>> ><br>> > Mantis<br>> ><br>> > > now. :P<br>> ><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> > > John Sheridan wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > > Just to test I tried rolling back the clock on<br>> > my server to the 31st<br>>
><br>> > > > with no effect. I'm re-updating now to today's<br>svn.<br>> ><br>> > Although I<br>> ><br>> > > wonder<br>> ><br>> > > > if perhaps this could be a viewer issue? I've not<br>yet tried<br>> with<br>> ><br>> > > > something other then Hippo.<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > > Jonathan Greenlee wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > ><br>> ><br>> > > >> It must be a date triggered "bug" in the<br>server. I get<br>> ><br>> > the effect<br>> ><br>> > > when I use opensim 8742 now, everything was fine before<br>with<br>> 8742, and<br>> ><br>> > > everything is fine in a very old Opensim I still have<br>installed<br>> on the<br>> ><br>> > > same mac
mini.<br>> ><br>> > > >> All using the same viewer.<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:06 PM, John<br>> ><br>> > Sheridan<br>> ><br>> > <john@pseudospace.net><br>> ><br>> > > wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> YES,<br>> > YES! I'm having this too! Everything was fine last<br>> ><br>> > night and<br>> ><br>> > > this<br>> ><br>> > > >> morning after upgrading to svn 8927, but this<br>evening after<br>> ><br>> > logging<br>> ><br>> > > in<br>> ><br>> > > >> all avatars are distorted in the same way.
Has<br>anyone put<br>> this<br>> ><br>> > in<br>> ><br>> > > >> Mantis yet?<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> Ursula MATOVA wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > >> Same here Stefan ...<br>> ><br>> > > >> ... But remember it's April, 1st :D<br>> ><br>> > > >> Regards<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> Le 1 avr. 09 à 00:42, StefanL a écrit :<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> Hello list ..<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> Friends and I are all really some kind of<br>stretched.<br>> ><br>> > > >> We tried different sims and all that .. Anybody<br>else<br>> ><br>>
> > >> experience this ? Lbsa plaza seems normal ..<br>> ><br>> > ><br>> > >><br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> > >> Ist that the aprils fool joke from the developers ??<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> Best regards<br>> ><br>> > > >> Wordfromthe Wise<br>> ><br>> > > >> Akira Sonoda<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> > > >> Pictures are here :<br>> ><br>> > > >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/28957438@N04/3402171863/sizes/o/in/set-<br>> ><br>> > > 72157613<br>> ><br>> > > >> 060633763/<br>> ><br>> > > >>
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