Because taking seriously an unexpected event April the first it not a good idea ;)<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:57 PM, MW <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michaelwri22@yahoo.co.uk">michaelwri22@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I can understand your point and as I said we are sorry for any problems this issue caused.<br><br>But
its just that comments like "Now to waste an hour of my time patching
all my servers." that just make me wonder why "I have wasted all those
thousands of hours working on opensim and doing all that work for
free". When what we get in return is people moaning about spending a
hour on something. <br><br>I'm just talking from a personal point of
view here (and in no way represent the thoughts of the other
developers), but its just makes me more and more wonder why we do this.<br><br>BTW:
Just so people know, I believe the 0.6.4RC that Stefan tagged also has
this issue in it, but then thats most likely why its a RC and not a
stable release.<div class="im"><br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/4/09, Chris Hart <i><<a href="mailto:Chris@codetorque.co.uk" target="_blank">Chris@codetorque.co.uk</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">
<div class="im">From: Chris Hart <<a href="mailto:Chris@codetorque.co.uk" target="_blank">Chris@codetorque.co.uk</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly stretched<br></div>To: <a href="mailto:michaelwri22@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">michaelwri22@yahoo.co.uk</a>, <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 11:46 AM<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Given that 0.6.3 was not a good release (avatar appearance bugs),
I was hoping to wait for 0.6.4 for ReactionGrid and for our clients. It was
taking a while to tag, and I had identified a stable revision that I had put
through a lot of testing and made the call based on running a significant test
plan. Our database (MSSQL) was over 5Gb, the change from 0.6.2 to 0.6.4
included a major schema change that meant the longer we left updating, the
longer (and harder) an update was gonna be. I made the call to update us just
before Stefan tagged the release – I didn’t anticipate this
particular outcome. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I will take full responsibility if there is a bug in opensim
code that affects my clients that would have been prevented if I had used a
stable branch, but I do actually trust you guys too – you do great work,
I read every commit log (evidently not thoroughly enough) and I use my
experience to make a call on whether a breaking change has been put in or not.
In this situation, what would have been nice would have been a simple switch to
return to normal. We saw the joke last night and yes, we fell about laughing,
thinking it was a freaky occurrence on a highly-loaded sim, never for one
moment realising this was going to strike all our servers today.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">ReactionGrid is a young business, we’re pushing out there
to find customers who are willing to go with us through the bumps, ride the fun
little features, because we really do believe in the platform, even at this
early stage. I didn’t start working with OpenSim til May last year, so I
didn’t know this was likely to happen. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>MW<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 April 2009 11:27<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly stretched</span></p>
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<p>I understand that it has caused you problems and we are
sorry for that but to be honest, its not a good idea to be running trunk in
any production set up or for business use. Trunk is for development and can
be broke at any time.<br>
<br>
We do release "stable" tagged versions and we strongly suggest that
anyone using opensim for business or production use sticks to those. They all
have their problems but trunk just can't be depended on to be working/stable
or anything. <br>
<br>
The only people who should be using trunk are developers, testers and people
who want to try the very lastest changes.<br>
<br>
All the developers work very hard for nothing in return so its a small thing
for some of us to put a small pank in TRUNK once a year.<br>
<br>
Again I do understand it has caused you some problems but we offer all our
work free and as I said we strongly advise people to use the tagged versions.
<br>
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--- On <b>Wed, 1/4/09, Chris Hart <i><<a href="mailto:Chris@codetorque.co.uk" target="_blank">Chris@codetorque.co.uk</a>></i></b>
wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">From: Chris Hart
<<a href="mailto:Chris@codetorque.co.uk" target="_blank">Chris@codetorque.co.uk</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly stretched<br>
To: <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, 1 April, 2009, 9:12 AM</p>
<pre>Wow, you're kidding me?<br><br> <br><br>So, those of us trying to run a business promoting OpenSim to pioneering<br><br>business folks and educators who are VW newbies have to cancel all appointments<br><br>because of a prank? "I'm sorry, this doesn't normally happen, this<br>
<br>is a prank"<br><br> <br><br>Thanks guys - didn't need this first thing today. So what's the<br><br>solution? Set all servers to April 2nd?<br><br> <br><br>Anyone who knows me knows I'm easy going and enjoy having fun, but not when<br>
<br>this affects my business, potential income, and hence my</pre><pre> family.<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>-----Original Message-----<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] On Behalf Of Frisby, Adam<br><br>Sent: 01 April 2009 06:21<br><br>To: <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly stretched<br><br>
<br><br>Yeah, I think it's the april fools joke. Blame Teravus. ;)<br><br> <br><br>Adam<br><br> <br><br>> -----Original Message-----<br><br>> From: <a href="mailto:opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users-bounces@lists.berlios.de</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:opensim-users-" target="_blank">opensim-users-</a><br>
<br>> <a href="mailto:bounces@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">bounces@lists.berlios.de</a>] On Behalf Of John Sheridan<br><br>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2009 9:07 PM<br><br>> To: <a href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Strange effekt / Avatar totaly stretched<br><br>> <br><br>> Well, its not the clock not unless it triggered something thats not<br><br>> effected by rolling the clock back. As well its not Hippo since the<br>
<br>> vanilla SL viewer is doing the same thing. Its also</pre><pre> apparently not<br><br>> fixed by updating to svn 8951. I'll go ahead and plug this into<br><br>Mantis<br><br>> now. :P<br><br>> <br><br>
> John Sheridan wrote:<br><br>> > Just to test I tried rolling back the clock on
my server to the 31st<br><br>> > with no effect. I'm re-updating now to today's svn. <br><br>Although I<br><br>> wonder<br><br>> > if perhaps this could be a viewer issue? I've not yet tried with<br>
<br>> > something other then Hippo.<br><br>> ><br><br>> ><br><br>> > Jonathan Greenlee wrote:<br><br>> ><br><br>> >> It must be a date triggered "bug" in the server. I get<br>
<br>the effect<br><br>> when I use opensim 8742 now, everything was fine before with 8742, and<br><br>> everything is fine in a very old Opensim I still have installed on the<br><br>> same mac mini.<br><br>> >> All using the same viewer.<br>
<br>> >><br><br>> >> Sent from my iPhone<br><br>> >><br><br>> >> On Mar 31, 2009, at 10:06 PM, John</pre><pre> Sheridan<br><br><<a href="mailto:john@pseudospace.net" target="_blank">john@pseudospace.net</a>><br>
<br>> wrote:<br><br>> >><br><br>> >> YES,
YES! I'm having this too! Everything was fine last<br><br>night and<br><br>> this<br><br>> >> morning after upgrading to svn 8927, but this evening after<br><br>logging<br><br>> in<br><br>> >> all avatars are distorted in the same way. Has anyone put this<br>
<br>in<br><br>> >> Mantis yet?<br><br>> >><br><br>> >> Ursula MATOVA wrote:<br><br>> >> Same here Stefan ...<br><br>> >> ... But remember it's April, 1st :D<br><br>> >> Regards<br>
<br>> >><br><br>> >> Le 1 avr. 09 à 00:42, StefanL a écrit :<br><br>> >><br><br>> >><br><br>> >> Hello list ..<br><br>> >><br><br>> >> Friends and I are all really some kind of stretched.<br>
<br>> >> We tried different sims and all that .. Anybody else<br><br>> >> experience this ? Lbsa plaza seems normal ..<br><br>>
>><br><br>> >><br><br>></pre><pre> >> Ist that the aprils fool joke from the developers ??<br><br>> >><br><br>> >><br><br>> >> Best regards<br><br>> >> Wordfromthe Wise<br>
<br>> >> Akira Sonoda<br><br>> >><br><br>> >> Pictures are here :<br><br>> >><br><br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/28957438@N04/3402171863/sizes/o/in/set-" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/28957438@N04/3402171863/sizes/o/in/set-</a><br>
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