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Also, I believe we could just add local server time and current UTC ('metaverse time') to something like the 'about' box text, if people want to make sure.<BR>
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As I understand it,<BR>
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all times shown to users could and should be specified with timezone. The client does this, and there should be no problem converting from UTC to PST/PDT in the protocol endpoints if the client would need us to.<BR>
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In regards to scripts, lsl still have a fairly good number of functions separating 'server time'/'pst' and 'gmt'/'utc';<BR>
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llGetDate uses UTC<BR>
<A class=internal href="http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=llGetWallclock"><FONT face="Courier New">llGetWallclock</FONT></A> returns the server time.<BR>
<A class=internal href="http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=llGetGMTclock"><FONT face="Courier New">llGetGMTclock</FONT></A> gets GMT, which essentially is UTC<BR>
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I might just be naive, but I don't see the problem with UTC. Could we have a problem scenario detailed out?<BR>
<BR>Best regards,<BR>Stefan Andersson<BR>Tribal Media AB<BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:17:00 -0500<BR>From: fish.kungfu@gmail.com<BR>To: opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<BR>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Correcting Metaverse Time<BR><BR>Same for me, Robert. Google Calendar works the same way. I just choose my time-zone. Why not have the viewer show UTC and the local time of the user, just to help the user be able to see the Universal Grid Time at a glance? All grid serverscould keep their time set by a reliable ntp server and passed on to the viewer/client.<BR><BR>Also, in the future, the viewer could very likely simply be a web browser, but I don't want to get too far off topic.<BR><BR>~~Fish~~<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=EC_gmail_quote>On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Robert Klein <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:rtkwebman@gmail.com">rtkwebman@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=EC_gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex"><BR>Hmm, any meeting or event that I have attended on this planet is generally<BR>formatted in the timezone of the host venue. Anyone attending just has to<BR>deal with it. What about each simulator uses the timezone of whatever the<BR>admin chooses and each viewer simply runs in the timezone of the user's<BR>computer? Scripts could therefore depend on that model and adjust themselves<BR>accordingly. What about a toggle or on/off tick in the viewer? Would it even<BR>need one?<BR><BR>Remember, 2-5 years from now hopefully we will not be depending on the SL<BR>viewer as a stop-gap but instead be using the strengths of our own.<BR><BR>-Robert<BR>
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<DIV class=EC_Wj3C7c><BR><BR><BR>Charles Krinke wrote:<BR>><BR>> Frank:<BR>><BR>> The issue came up with respect to implementing "events". Someone else<BR>> indicated that certain scripts that use the underlying servers time with<BR>> LSL calls would be affected.<BR>><BR>> So, it isnt a sun issue so much as a side affect on co-ordinating things<BR>> from region to region with events, scripts and similar.<BR>><BR>> Charles<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ________________________________<BR>> From: Frank W Sweet <<A href="mailto:fwsweet@backintyme.com">fwsweet@backintyme.com</A>><BR>> To: <A href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</A><BR>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:01:15 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Correcting Metaverse Time<BR>><BR>> Charles Krinke wrote: "those running grids and major standalones that<BR>> are HyperGridded can easily set their sims to UTC without any<BR>> additional prompting from us..."<BR>><BR>> Umm. How? The "time" function was removed from the [sun] section of<BR>> opensim.ini because it had no effect.<BR>><BR>> Frank W Sweet<BR>> Backintyme Publishing<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Charles Krinke" <<A href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</A>><BR>> To: <<A href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</A>><BR>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:46 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Correcting Metaverse Time<BR>><BR>><BR>> Certainly, those running grids and major standalones that are<BR>> HyperGridded can easily set their sims to UTC without any additional<BR>> prompting from us, and I have already done this with those I can<BR>> directly influence.<BR>><BR>> Now that we seem heading towards some semblance of a consensus, let me<BR>> open two itty-bitty "Pandora's Boxen" that others have described to<BR>> me.<BR>><BR>> But, there are sims running in folks homes and on servers where for<BR>> other then OpenSim reasons, these folks wish the server (or desktop<BR>> computer in some cases) to run on the local timezone, where ever it<BR>> is. These reasons run from needing mail programs like Outlook to work<BR>> correctly. These folks end up at a disadvantage unless we can tell<BR>> them how to ensure their OpenSim clock is on UTC.<BR>><BR>> Another issue is that the SL client itself seems to favor PST, so we<BR>> have client perceptions to deal with. Although as other clients gain<BR>> some wider use, this issue is likely to resolve itself over time.<BR>><BR>> I would not want either of these to stop a movement towards an OpenSim<BR>> Metaverse timezone, but, these are the two major issues that folks<BR>> have discussed with me that currently cause them angst.<BR>><BR>> With the highest respect to this illustrious group,<BR>><BR>> Charles Krinke<BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Opensim-users mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</A><BR>> <A href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</A><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Opensim-users mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</A><BR>> <A href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</A><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></DIV></DIV><FONT color=#888888>--<BR>View this message in context: <A href="http://n2.nabble.com/Correcting-Metaverse-Time-tp2179635p2184858.html">http://n2.nabble.com/Correcting-Metaverse-Time-tp2179635p2184858.html</A><BR></FONT>
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