<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Well, maybe I am having trouble getting it, Stefan.<br><br>A few days ago, there were several multi-hour, heated discussions about how the timezones of different servers would make events and scripts malfunction.<br><br>Personally, I have been using UTC since the 1970's and GMT before that in communicating around this rock, so I dont get the flap and just use UTC/GMT, but it seems an important subject to others.<br><br>Charles<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Stefan Andersson <stefan@tribalmedia.se><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:53:04 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Opensim-users] Correcting Metaverse Time<br></font><br>
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Also, I believe we could just add local server time and current UTC ('metaverse time') to something like the 'about' box text, if people want to make sure.<br>
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As I understand it,<br>
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all times shown to users could and should be specified with timezone. The client does this, and there should be no problem converting from UTC to PST/PDT in the protocol endpoints if the client would need us to.<br>
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In regards to scripts, lsl still have a fairly good number of functions separating 'server time'/'pst' and 'gmt'/'utc';<br>
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llGetDate uses UTC<br>
<a rel="nofollow" class="internal" target="_blank" href="http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=llGetWallclock"><font face="Courier New">llGetWallclock</font></a> returns the server time.<br>
<a rel="nofollow" class="internal" target="_blank" href="http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=llGetGMTclock"><font face="Courier New">llGetGMTclock</font></a> gets GMT, which essentially is UTC<br>
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I might just be naive, but I don't see the problem with UTC. Could we have a problem scenario detailed out?<br>
<br>Best regards,<br>Stefan Andersson<br>Tribal Media AB<br><br><br>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:17:00 -0500<br>From: fish.kungfu@gmail.com<br>To: opensim-users@lists.berlios.de<br>Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Correcting Metaverse Time<br><br>Same for me, Robert. Google Calendar works the same way. I just choose my time-zone. Why not have the viewer show UTC and the local time of the user, just to help the user be able to see the Universal Grid Time at a glance? All grid serverscould keep their time set by a reliable ntp server and passed on to the viewer/client.<br><br>Also, in the future, the viewer could very likely simply be a web browser, but I don't want to get too far off topic.<br><br>~~Fish~~<br><br><br><br>
<div class="EC_gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Robert Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rtkwebman@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rtkwebman@gmail.com">rtkwebman@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="EC_gmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex;"><br>Hmm, any meeting or event that I have attended on this planet is generally<br>formatted in the timezone of the host venue. Anyone attending just has to<br>deal with it. What about each simulator uses the timezone of whatever the<br>admin chooses and each viewer simply runs in the timezone of the user's<br>computer? Scripts could therefore depend on that model and adjust themselves<br>accordingly. What about a toggle or on/off tick in the viewer? Would it even<br>need one?<br><br>Remember, 2-5 years from now hopefully we will not be depending on the SL<br>viewer as a stop-gap but instead be using the strengths of our own.<br><br>-Robert<br>
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<div class="EC_Wj3C7c"><br><br><br>Charles Krinke wrote:<br>><br>> Frank:<br>><br>> The issue came up with respect to implementing "events". Someone else<br>> indicated that certain scripts that use the underlying servers time with<br>> LSL calls would be affected.<br>><br>> So, it isnt a sun issue so much as a side affect on co-ordinating things<br>> from region to region with events, scripts and similar.<br>><br>> Charles<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Frank W Sweet <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fwsweet@backintyme.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fwsweet@backintyme.com">fwsweet@backintyme.com</a>><br>> To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:01:15 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users]
Correcting Metaverse Time<br>><br>> Charles Krinke wrote: "those running grids and major standalones that<br>> are HyperGridded can easily set their sims to UTC without any<br>> additional prompting from us..."<br>><br>> Umm. How? The "time" function was removed from the [sun] section of<br>> opensim.ini because it had no effect.<br>><br>> Frank W Sweet<br>> Backintyme Publishing<br>><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: "Charles Krinke" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:cfk@pacbell.net">cfk@pacbell.net</a>><br>> To: <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a>><br>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:46 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Correcting Metaverse Time<br>><br>><br>> Certainly, those running grids and
major standalones that are<br>> HyperGridded can easily set their sims to UTC without any additional<br>> prompting from us, and I have already done this with those I can<br>> directly influence.<br>><br>> Now that we seem heading towards some semblance of a consensus, let me<br>> open two itty-bitty "Pandora's Boxen" that others have described to<br>> me.<br>><br>> But, there are sims running in folks homes and on servers where for<br>> other then OpenSim reasons, these folks wish the server (or desktop<br>> computer in some cases) to run on the local timezone, where ever it<br>> is. These reasons run from needing mail programs like Outlook to work<br>> correctly. These folks end up at a disadvantage unless we can tell<br>> them how to ensure their OpenSim clock is on UTC.<br>><br>> Another issue is that the SL client itself seems to favor PST, so we<br>> have client perceptions to deal with. Although
as other clients gain<br>> some wider use, this issue is likely to resolve itself over time.<br>><br>> I would not want either of these to stop a movement towards an OpenSim<br>> Metaverse timezone, but, these are the two major issues that folks<br>> have discussed with me that currently cause them angst.<br>><br>> With the highest respect to this illustrious group,<br>><br>> Charles Krinke<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Opensim-users mailing list<br>> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de">Opensim-users@lists.berlios.de</a><br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users">https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Opensim-users mailing
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